14 minutes ago, Vee said:

I'll have more on the rest of the week in a bit but I will say I think Kate Mansi may be becoming the stealth breakout of the new regime, on top of Watros and (somehow) CM as @titan1978 said. (Not that I don't think there is real value to Cameron when he is used well just as in his best days on AMC, as I've always said; it's just that he hasn't been for most of his tenure and it's made Drew unbearable for so long until very recently.)

The question is will the day to day slant on Nina get in CW's way, because it does vary. Yes, Nina is a spoiled, histrionic and delusional heiress; she always has been and that is true to form IMO. The issue is when the writing shows that yet also defaults too much back to The Life of Carly voice that has pervaded the show for so long. You can have one without the other.

Anyway, I think Mansi has been very good and is emerging as one of the strongest younger voice on the show. The issue at present is her stories. Blaze is not ready for the big time AFAIC despite some compelling ideas in that story, and the surrogacy needs to end ASAP. I also would rather keep BLQ single and unshackled, and I doubt Chase is going anywhere any time soon. I agree it makes no sense for Chase to be poor given his family lineage.

Sasha needs to go, preferably alone. I have zero interest in her saga of finding herself in horse stables, in the kitchen or on Bootleg QVC.

I agree Mansi is doing great and that the actress that plays Blaze is nowhere near her level.

I hate the slanted writing towards Nina because it makes me root for her.  I wish Nina just sold the MC because she didn't want it anymore and not because she was bad at the job.  

I also don't like Jason just buying it for Carly again.  Whatever work Carly put into building Kelly's/Bobbie's is now useless because a man bought her back a business.  Her own stupidity caused her to lose it in the first place.  It's not like Nina stole it from her.  I didn't mind Carly at Bobbie's honestly.

I have defended Sasha for a long time, but she can absolutely go.  This story with Cody is moving at a glacial pace and she has no purpose.

I prefer Carly at Bobbie's as well after her years of being wealthy at the MC. But I also understand resetting her with a new regime. It doesn't really make sense for Nina to run the hotel. I hope we'll continue to see Carly running/working at Bobbie's at least, and I expect we will (just as we saw Bobbie both there and the hospital).

So Brook Lynn is a Quartermaine, why the hell is Chase selling something for their honeymoon? She comes from MONEY 🙄

Edited April 13, 20241 yr by dragonflies

I didn't mind Carly in either capacity.  I just think it's a bit of a backslide for the minor character growth she had lol and thought she fit surprisingly well at Bobbie's.

You aren't wrong about Nina.  I don't know what Nina is capable of running with all her years in the coma.  Carly was apparently better at running Crimson too and it's clear Nina is having difficulty running a newspaper as well. 

It's a lot of whiplash with Carly/Nina's business ventures lately, but I suppose it's to be expected with a regime change.

2 minutes ago, dragonflies said:

So Brook Lynn is a Quartermaine, why the hell is Chase selling something for their honeymoon? She comes from MONEY 🙄

Brook Lynn was trying to pay for it.  Tracy and Brook Lynn had scenes yesterday about the monetary dynamics and Chase's perspective.   It's all a little silly, but the motivations made some sense.

The advantages of watching the show.

24 minutes ago, carolineg said:

You aren't wrong about Nina.  I don't know what Nina is capable of running with all her years in the coma.  Carly was apparently better at running Crimson too

I mean, in fairness they kind of admitted Carly wasn't when the new regime flushed all of that immediately and said Carly just did it to please Drew lol. They've been going on and on about how brilliant Nina was at Crimson instead. I never got it when she was put there many years ago but it's a decent enough place for her and CW sells it. I do agree it was growth to have her leave the MC, but the location is also a good story harbor for a lot of things so I kind of understand it.

Is Nina actually having difficulty running the paper?

28 minutes ago, Vee said:

 

Is Nina actually having difficulty running the paper?

From the way Alexis reacts I assume Nina's not doing a good job or not doing the job correctly.  Alexis clearly thinks all Nina's ideas are awful.  Idk, the last week was pretty much dumping on Nina for existing, so it's hard to say if these conclusions are correct.

If Carly sticks around running Bobbie's, I wouldn't mind if she got nostalgic and decide to reopen that club that she had ran in the basement about 20 years ago. 

2 hours ago, Forever8 said:

If Carly sticks around running Bobbie's, I wouldn't mind if she got nostalgic and decide to reopen that club that she had ran in the basement about 20 years ago. 

I always liked the vibe of that club and thought it was a cool idea.  I can't remember what happened to it.  It didn't last very long, but it was either shot up or Carly tried to 
embezzle from Jax (who was her business partner).  Possibly both.  I don't think it ever officially closed just stopped appearing.

4 hours ago, carolineg said:

From the way Alexis reacts I assume Nina's not doing a good job or not doing the job correctly.  Alexis clearly thinks all Nina's ideas are awful.  Idk, the last week was pretty much dumping on Nina for existing, so it's hard to say if these conclusions are correct.

Yeah, she doesn't like the style of Nina's journalism but she can't deny it's a success. Something Gregory noted a while ago. Not that I think we'll see much of Nina at the Invader/Intruder? either.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I always liked the vibe of that club and thought it was a cool idea.  I can't remember what happened to it.  It didn't last very long, but it was either shot up or Carly tried to 
embezzle from Jax (who was her business partner).  Possibly both.  I don't think it ever officially closed just stopped appearing.

The Cellar. Got a huge special episode rollout with the old lady from Titanic and then I think we never saw it again lol.

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9 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, she doesn't like the style of Nina's journalism but she can't deny it's a success. Something Gregory noted a while ago. Not that I think we'll see much of Nina at the Invader/Intruder? either.

It seems to be doing well, but I was getting the feeling we should be on Alexis's side on this.  Since it looks like Alexis is getting her law license back I don't think we will see The Invatruder much longer either.

12 minutes ago, Vee said:

The Cellar. Got a huge special episode rollout with the old lady from Titanic and then I think we never saw it again lol.

I vividly remember the Titanic lady episode.  And I am pretty positive TB's Carly stole money from Jax because I remember thinking Ingo/TB had some chemistry.  I think Courtney worked there too?  I swear it didn't even last 6 months.

6 hours ago, Vee said:

I'll have more on the rest of the week in a bit but I will say I think Kate Mansi may be becoming the stealth breakout of the new regime, on top of Watros and (somehow) CM as @titan1978 said. (Not that I don't think there is real value to Cameron when he is used well just as in his best days on AMC, as I've always said; it's just that he hasn't been for most of his tenure and it's made Drew unbearable for so long until very recently.)

The question is will the day to day slant on Nina get in CW's way, because it does vary. Yes, Nina is a spoiled, histrionic and delusional heiress; she always has been and that is true to form IMO. The issue is when the writing shows that yet also defaults too much back to The Life of Carly voice that has pervaded the show for so long. You can have one without the other.

Anyway, I think Mansi has been very good and is emerging as one of the strongest younger voice on the show. The issue at present is her stories. Blaze is not ready for the big time AFAIC despite some compelling ideas in that story, and the surrogacy needs to end ASAP. I also would rather keep BLQ single and unshackled, and I doubt Chase is going anywhere any time soon. I agree it makes no sense for Chase to be poor given his family lineage.

Sasha needs to go, preferably alone. I have zero interest in her saga of finding herself in horse stables, in the kitchen or on Bootleg QVC.

Mansi came on as Abigail when I was still watching "Days of our Lives" and I liked her from the beginning. She was usually able to do a lot with a little so I am not surprised that the writers are giving her more. The actress playing Blaze comes off like she is appearing on a sitcom for kids (Marci Rylan gave off similar energy). I hope that with some more introspection maybe the actress will develop more range. 

Sasha doesn't work. I find her and Cody bland. Cody could work as the aging himbo but I'd still probably only want to see him on recurring unless they found some place for him. I think him being Mac and Dominique's son is a bizarre choice even as someone who liked Mac and Dominique. I do think Dom was offscreen in late 1991 between actresses and there was space for them to say Dom had a kid then as she was locked in a psych ward, but I don't think she and Mac went to bed until after Shell Danielson was in the role because the sexual violence during her marriage to Leopold was a stumbling block for the couple in January, 1992. 

5 hours ago, carolineg said:

I also don't like Jason just buying it for Carly again.  Whatever work Carly put into building Kelly's/Bobbie's is now useless because a man bought her back a business.  Her own stupidity caused her to lose it in the first place.  It's not like Nina stole it from her.  I didn't mind Carly at Bobbie's honestly.

It just feels like they are leaning very hard into a Carly/Jason romance and that this is just another attempt for Jason to show how much he cares about Carly. I don't think it will work (for either Carly or the audience), but that's the sense I get.

4 hours ago, carolineg said:

From the way Alexis reacts I assume Nina's not doing a good job or not doing the job correctly.  Alexis clearly thinks all Nina's ideas are awful.  Idk, the last week was pretty much dumping on Nina for existing, so it's hard to say if these conclusions are correct.

I thought the scene where Nina rationalized the need for the gossip seemed a bit meta, saying it cannot be hard hitting, topical every day that there needs to be some sleaze in there too. 

7 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, she doesn't like the style of Nina's journalism but she can't deny it's a success. Something Gregory noted a while ago. Not that I think we'll see much of Nina at the Invader/Intruder? either.

The Cellar. Got a huge special episode rollout with the old lady from Titanic and then I think we never saw it again lol.

I would imagine once Alexis gets her law license back that the most you'll see if the gossip reporter appearing at social events or trying to get Intel somewhere. That's what I imagine from very limited viewing the modern era. 

Gloria Stuart played Faith Rosco's grandmother who I think Faith murdered. I remember watching that back in the days of SoapNET. 

Faith killed her own grandma?  Damn she was evil.  You know, come to think of it didn't Faith end up with the club actually?

I always thought it was weird TB played young Grandma Faith in the flashback episode and not Cynthia Preston.

2 hours ago, carolineg said:

I vividly remember the Titanic lady episode.  And I am pretty positive TB's Carly stole money from Jax because I remember thinking Ingo/TB had some chemistry.  I think Courtney worked there too?  I swear it didn't even last 6 months.

I remember JFP chem testing Ingo and Tamara at the time in 2001 and early '02, yes. I never bought into them at all or into that random club. Whereas the Cellar (a former speakeasy) I thought was at least an interesting idea, even if splashing out for a special 'silent' 1920s flashback episode for even more mob was ludicrous and depressing. (Dylan Cash featured heavily IIRC, which was painful enough.) It took LW and Ingo to make me buy that Jax and Carly would ever go near each other. Strange how that happens.

2 hours ago, dc11786 said:

Sasha doesn't work. I find her and Cody bland. Cody could work as the aging himbo but I'd still probably only want to see him on recurring unless they found some place for him. I think him being Mac and Dominique's son is a bizarre choice even as someone who liked Mac and Dominique. I do think Dom was offscreen in late 1991 between actresses and there was space for them to say Dom had a kid then as she was locked in a psych ward, but I don't think she and Mac went to bed until after Shell Danielson was in the role because the sexual violence during her marriage to Leopold was a stumbling block for the couple in January, 1992. 

I think Cody is a classic soap archetype - mischievous farmhand himbo - and JK is a lot of fun with anyone else IMO. You could plug him in with Liz, Tracy or anywhere. Wasting him on marzipan Sasha is tiresome. But wasn't Dominique only in a psych ward for less than a month? Not enough time to have had Mac's kid. It's far preferable for him to just be Mac's son with some woman back in Australia.

2 hours ago, carolineg said:

Faith killed her own grandma?  Damn she was evil.  You know, come to think of it didn't Faith end up with the club actually?

She stole it for awhile. Carly got it back, then dumped it altogether at some point lol.

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8 hours ago, Vee said:

I remember JFP chem testing Ingo and Tamara at the time in 2001 and early '02, yes. I never bought into them at all or into that random club. Whereas the Cellar (a former speakeasy) I thought was at least an interesting idea, even if splashing out for a special 'silent' 1920s flashback episode for even more mob was ludicrous and depressing. (Dylan Cash featured heavily IIRC, which was painful enough.) It took LW and Ingo to make me buy that Jax and Carly would ever go near each other. Strange how that happens.

Oh got it.  I am confusing two different clubs.  Club 101 and the Cellar.  Jax had nothing to do with the Cellar, but Ric did. Meh, they both have C names and were in a similar time period.  I can't even get the name of the newspaper in PC right and they mention it daily, so that's not a surprise. lol  

Agree about Jax/Carly, but the seeds were definitely planted in the TB days.  I honestly remember questioning if they'd go there in my head.

8 hours ago, Vee said:

I think Cody is a classic soap archetype - mischievous farmhand himbo - and JK is a lot of fun with anyone else IMO. You could plug him in with Liz, Tracy or anywhere. Wasting him on marzipan Sasha is tiresome. But wasn't Dominique only in a psych ward for less than a month? Not enough time to have had Mac's kid. It's far preferable for him to just be Mac's son with some woman back in Australia.

.Mac and Miranda's long lost child? 😂

It's a shame about Cody.  He's been on the show for 2 years now and hasn't even got past first base with anyone.

 

I totally forgot that Gloria Stuart was once on this show, lol.