10 hours ago, Vee said:

I have zero interest in Wagger and Carly, but AH has done a very strong job IMO with better scripts recently and there is a tick of chemistry. I still feel this would come off better for me with an actor similar in look to Sabato, like Paul Anthony Stewart or Jordi Vilasuso.

Oh, both of those would've been magic in casting. But Paul Anthony Stewart seems happy in New York with his partner, so that'd be a no-go, although, it'd be awesome to see him reunite with Laura Wright once again.

4 minutes ago, Liberty City said:

Oh, both of those would've been magic in casting. But Paul Anthony Stewart seems happy in New York with his partner, so that'd be a no-go, although, it'd be awesome to see him reunite with Laura Wright once again.

Yeah, I thought it was unlikely with PAS for those reasons but I would've taken a swing if I was FV.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Yeah, I thought it was unlikely with PAS for those reasons but I would've taken a swing if I was FV.

I would have, too, although, I'm not hating Harrington in the role. It's clear they're removing emotion from the role (for now), and I'm kind of okay with that.

I think both PAS or JV would be a great choice for the role.  I am coming around on AH as an actor.  I think he's doing well with the material that he is given.  He's just not Jagger or anything that resembles the previous take on Jagger.  I am okay with a character evolving and a different actor making the character their own, but AH's John/Jagger is a completely different character.  They share the same name, but that's the only similarity.   I still am curious why the show felt the need to bring Jagger back at all as AH could have played this character as someone new and done the same things.  Being mad at Sonny for something that happened years ago and knowing Jason in high school doesn't really have much impact on the story thus far.  An FBI agent doesn't need a deep seeded reason to hate Sonny/Jason.  He could just hate them because, you know, they are criminals lol.

30 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I still am curious why the show felt the need to bring Jagger back at all as AH could have played this character as someone new and done the same things.  Being mad at Sonny for something that happened years ago and knowing Jason in high school doesn't really have much impact on the story thus far.  An FBI agent doesn't need a deep seeded reason to hate Sonny/Jason.  He could just hate them because, you know, they are criminals lol.

When he was first brought back I think it was just another dumb easter egg thing for fans who jizz over literally any connection to the past regardless of whether the idea is any good. I don't think it was that deep lol. I do think they're making the best of it at present. I still see no need for a long-term role.

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33 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I think both PAS or JV would be a great choice for the role.  I am coming around on AH as an actor.  I think he's doing well with the material that he is given.  He's just not Jagger or anything that resembles the previous take on Jagger.  I am okay with a character evolving and a different actor making the character their own, but AH's John/Jagger is a completely different character.  They share the same name, but that's the only similarity.   I still am curious why the show felt the need to bring Jagger back at all as AH could have played this character as someone new and done the same things.  Being mad at Sonny for something that happened years ago and knowing Jason in high school doesn't really have much impact on the story thus far.  An FBI agent doesn't need a deep seeded reason to hate Sonny/Jason.  He could just hate them because, you know, they are criminals lol.

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I did like this:

Jason: You lied to me! Why should I honor our agreement, Jagger?! You knew my mother. And you engineered a situation where I would have to lie about not being alive. 

But I would have to admit that it is a pretty thin reason to craft a character. 

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I did like this:

Jason: You lied to me! Why should I honor our agreement, Jagger?! You knew my mother. And you engineered a situation where I would have to lie about not being alive. 

But I would have to admit that it is a pretty thin reason to craft a character. 

Even that threw me because it made Jason look dumb and although Jason isn't my fave he's not an idiot.  Putting aside the fact that Jason has apparently never heard of Jagger or seen a picture of him or didn't recognize the last name Cates, I can't believe he didn't do the most minimal research on his FBI handler.  It's a very minor detail, but I know Karen, Sonny, Robin, and Brenda have discussed Jagger with post-accident Jason.

3 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Even that threw me because it made Jason look dumb and although Jason isn't my fave he's not an idiot.  Putting aside the fact that Jason has apparently never heard of Jagger or seen a picture of him or didn't recognize the last name Cates, I can't believe he didn't do the most minimal research on his FBI handler.  It's a very minor detail, but I know Karen, Sonny, Robin, and Brenda have discussed Jagger with post-accident Jason.

I guess I don't see someone basically in the position of a prisoner, presumably being held at Quantico, as having the means at hand to do even the most basic research. 

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

I still am curious why the show felt the need to bring Jagger back at all as AH could have played this character as someone new and done the same things.

I'm sure I've said this before, but AH could have played someone who never forgave Sonny for turning his sister, who worked at Sonny's old club, onto stripping and later drugs - much like Sonny did with Karen - and absolutely nothing about the story or his motivation would've needed to be altered.

 

2 hours ago, Aragorn said:

Jason and Michael will distance themselves from Sonny and be Quartermaines again.

I'd sooner believe that Patrick Mulcahey read my suggestions and has convinced Frank Valentini to hire Justin Deas to play Tracy's new love interest, chief medical examiner Howard "Howie" Hawks.

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3 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'd sooner believe that Patrick Mulcahey read my suggestions and has convinced Frank Valentini to hire Justin Deas to play Tracy's new love interest, chief medical examiner Howard "Howie" Hawks.

I have personally delivered the idea to Patrick Mulchahey for Alexis to begin to have dreams of a past life where she was a woman named Julia something or other.

I also have a hard time believing Jason doesn't know who Jagger Cates is and couldn't do the minimal digging after he got drafted by the feds (I also thought they shared scenes in NS2). But I honestly don't care enough to be bothered, it's a reasonable enough storyline and Jason has rarely cared about much outside of the immediate mob orbit in the last 25 years.

57 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

I guess I don't see someone basically in the position of a prisoner, presumably being held at Quantico, as having the means at hand to do even the most basic research. 

I mean, sure.  But we've seen Jason allowed to have both weapons and a phone.  So they trusted Jason enough with a gun and electronics.  You can google on a phone lol.  Even burner phones have internet.

25 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'm sure I've said this before, but AH could have played someone who never forgave Sonny for turning his sister, who worked at Sonny's old club, onto stripping and later drugs - much like Sonny did with Karen - and absolutely nothing about the story or his motivation would've needed to be altered.

Yes!  Crystal could have been his sister (the girl that od'ed on heroin that presumably gave Stone AIDS).  Perfect!   More motivation than something that happened to Jagger's dead ex-wife.

13 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I mean, sure.  But we've seen Jason allowed to have both weapons and a phone.  So they trusted Jason enough with a gun and electronics.  You can google on a phone lol.  Even burner phones have internet.

Yes, after the beginning, sure, you're right. He could have easily done basic research then. Now we can ask ourselves WHYNOT?!!! 

Also, it is repetition of history that the downfall of every lawman who goes against Sonny only does so for personal reasons.  They seem to do that to justify Sonny's defense.  He's just a coffee importer, but the feds have a vendetta against him.

6 minutes ago, j swift said:

Also, it is repetition of history that the downfall of every lawman who goes against Sonny only does so for personal reasons.  They seem to do that to justify Sonny's defense.  He's just a coffee importer, but the feds have a vendetta against him.

Well, I think it is a good idea for them to give him at least one actual reason for the paranoia. Only seems fittin'