I hope they don't write it that some of these characters are well known in the 'real' world.

I hate it when soaps have gossip magazines/websites etc reporting on the lives of the characters. It's just a dumb plot device that is dragged out when it suits. Sometimes they're famous and sometimes not.

Characters need to be low profile and in their own soap universe.

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I've no doubt Debbi (and Darnell) will pop up one day on BTG in a recurring role.

 

 

 

 

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Vanessa and Dr. Doug McBride in da house.

On 11/20/2024 at 6:04 PM, Paul Raven said:

I hope they don't write it that some of these characters are well known in the 'real' world.

I hate it when soaps have gossip magazines/websites etc reporting on the lives of the characters. It's just a dumb plot device that is dragged out when it suits. Sometimes they're famous and sometimes not.

Characters need to be low profile and in their own soap universe.

There's so much specificity with pretty much all of these characters that I don't see how any of them can be low profile. I believe a good bit of the storytelling will center around what they do (or don't do) for a living.

 

 

 

 

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I do wonder what beyond the gates will pay more attention to, Ratings or streaming numbers? I know no one who is part of nielsen but expect streaming to be excellent for BTG out of the gate.

I wonder when the promotional blitz will start for BTG? I'm looking forward to the first promo. 

On 11/23/2024 at 8:28 PM, John said:

I do wonder what beyond the gates will pay more attention to, Ratings or streaming numbers? I know no one who is part of nielsen but expect streaming to be excellent for BTG out of the gate.

It's not so much the show/show's producers paying attention to those categories, it's the network/studio that will closely follow the show's performance in terms of ratings.

It's my understanding that The Talk wasn't so much canceled due to low ratings from its CBS airings, it's the lack of viewership from streaming (Paramount+), YouTube, and minimal pop culture references in the same vein as The View which does well on Hulu, YouTube and is a daily topic due to their pivot to full-time politics discussion. 

Looking at the broadcast ratings, in particular, The Talk did 165,000 viewers in Women 25-54 to The View's 190,000 during the week of November 11-15, 2024. The Talk outperformed both GMA3 and NBC News Daily, and has done so all season. Similarly, among Women 18-49 viewers, The View pulled in 131,000 while The Talk pulled 115,000. Again, not so different. In the demos The View did a 0.20 rating in Women 18-49 to The Talk's 0.17, both rounded to a 0.2 rating. Meanwhile, in Women 25-54, The View did a 0.31 demo while The Talk did a 0.27, both rounded to a 0.3 rating. Point is, it isn't the ratings that got The Talk canceled because the show is essentially performing on par with The View in all the key demographics that sell ads, despite half the audience (1.221 million vs. 2.522 million). Therefore, it's the lack of ROI for CBS outside of broadcast that made the network decide to dump it.

All that being said, as long as Beyond the Gates does as well as GH or better in the demos, and at least shows a substantial bump in viewership, they'll be happy with its broadcast performance. Meanwhile, they'll be even happier with the show having a big following in streaming, YouTube views and social media follows. It would also be a boon for them should the show skew much younger than the other four soaps, particularly in the 18-34 demo. 

1 minute ago, Errol said:

It's not so much the show/show's producers paying attention to those categories, it's the network/studio that will closely follow the show's performance in terms of ratings.

It's my understanding that The Talk wasn't so much canceled due to low ratings from its CBS airings, it's the lack of viewership from streaming (Paramount+), YouTube, and minimal pop culture references in the same vein as The View which does well on Hulu, YouTube and is a daily topic due to their pivot to full-time politics discussion. 

Looking at the broadcast ratings, in particular, The Talk did 165,000 viewers in Women 25-54 to The View's 190,000 during the week of November 11-15, 2024. The Talk outperformed both GMA3 and NBC News Daily, and has done so all season. Similarly, among Women 18-49 viewers, The View pulled in 131,000 while The Talk pulled 115,000. Again, not so different. In the demos The View did a 0.20 rating in Women 18-49 to The Talk's 0.17, both rounded to a 0.2 rating. Meanwhile, in Women 25-54, The View did a 0.31 demo while The Talk did a 0.27, both rounded to a 0.3 rating. Point is, it isn't the ratings that got The Talk canceled because the show is essentially performing on par with The View in all the key demographics that sell ads, despite half the audience (1.221 million vs. 2.522 million). Therefore, it's the lack of ROI for CBS outside of broadcast that made the network decide to dump it.

All that being said, as long as Beyond the Gates does as well as GH or better in the demos, and at least shows a substantial bump in viewership, they'll be happy with its broadcast performance. Meanwhile, they'll be even happier with the show having a big following in streaming, YouTube views and social media follows. It would also be a boon for them should the show skew much younger than the other four soaps, particularly in the 18-34 demo. 

By skewing younger, I also am referring to the median age. Currently, Y&R/B&B is about 73/71, with GH at 68/69. If BTG could do 60 or lower, that would be "cool" to them.

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54 minutes ago, Errol said:

By skewing younger, I also am referring to the median age. Currently, Y&R/B&B is about 73/71, with GH at 68/69.

Are they some of the oldest skewing network shows?

I know that has been an ongoing issue for years, as the shows tried to attract the next generation of viewers. Even as far back as the 80's when Days decided to move the focus from the aging characters eg Doug/Julie, Mickey/Maggie  to Bo/Hope,Roman/Marlena and change the storytelling approach.

i guess that's why they now focus on the same characters for years and are very hesitant about dropping them, for fear the remaining viewers will be turned off.

24 minutes ago, Paul Raven said:

Are they some of the oldest skewing network shows?

I know that has been an ongoing issue for years, as the shows tried to attract the next generation of viewers. Even as far back as the 80's when Days decided to move the focus from the aging characters eg Doug/Julie, Mickey/Maggie  to Bo/Hope,Roman/Marlena and change the storytelling approach.

i guess that's why they now focus on the same characters for years and are very hesitant about dropping them, for fear the remaining viewers will be turned off.

The oldest skewing shows on TV are the news shows on FOX News, CNN and MSNBC. In terms of scripted, the longer a show is on the older it skews, hence why the soaps skew so old.

11 hours ago, Errol said:

All that being said, as long as Beyond the Gates does as well as GH or better in the demos, and at least shows a substantial bump in viewership, they'll be happy with its broadcast performance. Meanwhile, they'll be even happier with the show having a big following in streaming, YouTube views and social media follows. It would also be a boon for them should the show skew much younger than the other four soaps, particularly in the 18-34 demo. 

I would assume Beyond the Gates would do well in the streaming era. Especially on Paramount+/YouTube, and I can only assume Paramount/CBS will be pulling their best efforts to push the serial on streaming.

When I look at Paramount+ (logged out), I do see Y&R/B&B pretty predominately.

I wonder if CBS Studios will push this on Paramount+/PlutoTV (though I think they're getting rid of the latter) internationally?