4 minutes ago, Chris B said:

This is more what I’m expecting in terms of “darkness” and a cross between that show and Brothers and Sisters in terms of tone. In general I’m keeping an open mind. This is unheard of so it’s hard not to have some faith in them if they’re obviously investing some money and energy into it. 

Big Sky, the David E. Kelley drama that dealt with human sex trafficking in its first story arc, has been a big success (mostly on streaming) for ABC this season, so I’m curious if that’s the tone they’ll aim for. It has a mild Twin Peaks feel to it. I can’t imagine Pine Valley being *that* bleak, but who knows?

As Vee pointed out- Twin Parks was incredibly popular, has one of the strongest pilots I’ve ever seen, and created a cultural phenomenon.  They should be so lucky.

 

I have spent decades waiting for a show to fulfill the promise and sneaking dread that first season of Twin Peaks did.

 

Which is not to say I want Pine Valley to be Twin Peaks.  It’s going to be a fine line to walk- to not be so concerned with continuity that they are just strip mining the past for quick nods (like Ron Carlivati does), but it still needs to hit that AMC tone.

I'd resurrect OLTL. The dark concept would more work on OLTL. Granted it was certainly past it's prime with in 2012, but the writers attempted to make the show interesting by having things happen (compared to ATWT, GL, and AMC).

 

OLTL already had the dark Riverdale vibe that Kelly and Mark are trying to turn AMC into. Latter day One Life had stories like Hannah forcing James & Starr at gunpoint to dig their own graves, psycho cult leader Mitch, and the prison break finalie. Even the older show like Viki's Alters, the music box killer,Todd, and Colin/Norah/Lindsay would definately fit that dark style.

Edited March 23, 20214 yr by ironlion

With political dramas so prevalent in the last 10-15 years, they could adapt the premise of the short-lived CAPITOL, not that there is a demand for it. 😆 

35 minutes ago, ironlion said:

I'd resurrect OLTL. The dark concept would more work on OLTL. Granted it was certainly past it's prime with in 2012, but the writers attempted to make the show interesting by having things happen (compared to ATWT, GL, and AMC).

 

OLTL already had the dark Riverdale vibe that Kelly and Mark are trying to turn AMC into. Latter day One Life had stories like Hannah forcing James & Starr at gunpoint to dig their own graves, psycho cult leader Mitch, and the prison break finale. Even the older show like Viki's Alters, the music box killer,Todd, and Colin/Norah/Lindsay would definately fit that dark style.

 

All of this. If they add in the Vegas/Buchannan's star crossed West Side love story elements with Jessica and Cristian, Joey's role as a priest, and a gay Billy Douglass storyline and this show ticks off all of the boxes for a crazy CW/FOX soap serial. 

Kelly and Mark are big fans of Dark Shadows so I could see the show leaning into the goth aspect of Wildwind.

Edited March 24, 20214 yr by Jonathan

On 2/27/2021 at 9:09 PM, All My Shadows said:

I do not think any success with PV would lead to other soap reboots, honestly, but it definitely is fun to think about. It's funny, but I think, story/focus-wise, any primetime-formatted reboot would end up being closer to the original idea of most soaps than what they ended up being.

 

EON would be a gigantic massive hit in this age of everyone being obsessed with true crime stories, and formatting it so that we saw all of the angles of a crime - the background leading up to the crime, the investigation, the media circus, the medical investigation, the effects on the people involved, the trial, and even sometimes following the convicted criminal into prison if there's a story there.

 

Peyton Place needs to be revisited by capable hands, periodt. I don't care if it's a retelling of the original story or a sequel focusing on whomever is in the town all these years later. And not a wholesome, happy-go-lucky Hallmark-style story of small town "drama." Give us all of the mess and scandal of the original work, just updated and set in current times.

 

 

 

I have often thought that acclaimed, prolific, popular mystery writer Jonathan Kellerman (of the Alex Delaware crime series) would be a great choice to pen an updated version of The Edge of Night. Like Henry Slesar, Kellerman writes intricate, surprising mysteries populated by interesting and colorful characters. And just by basing the stories on the novels that Kellerman has already published (more than 30), a revised TEON would have enough story fodder for YEARS. How about Mike and Nancy Karr's grandson as an attorney, Bill Marceau's grandson as a cop, and Jim and Liz Fields' granddaughter as a psychiatrist, working on solving and battling crime in Monticello? I'd watch that!

 

As for Peyton Place, I'd die to see an update, particularly if Mia Farrow, Ryan O'Neal and Barbara Parkins could be convinced to do at least cameos. (I mean, are they doing much of anything else, LOL?)

Basically Riverdale, etc...has been doing the Edge of Night vibe.

 

I think Edge of.Night or a Capitol type of show would do well.

On 2/27/2021 at 8:09 PM, All My Shadows said:

 

Peyton Place needs to be revisited by capable hands, periodt. I don't care if it's a retelling of the original story or a sequel focusing on whomever is in the town all these years later. And not a wholesome, happy-go-lucky Hallmark-style story of small town "drama." Give us all of the mess and scandal of the original work, just updated and set in current times.

 

I'd hope that the atmosphere would remain intact. Have the same 'charm' but with contemporary issues. When shows did stories about racism, it was usually backdrop against towns like Peyton Place. And so, have the backdrop look near identical, down to the same music, but, say, a Muslim family facing racism.

So, idyllic but old fashioned in background but including modern problems.

 

And  I wouldn't add any tongue-cheek sh*t that a lot of writers would add.

6 hours ago, Gray Bunny said:

With political dramas so prevalent in the last 10-15 years, they could adapt the premise of the short-lived CAPITOL, not that there is a demand for it. 😆 

 

A Capitol reboot would've been must-see TV these past 4 years. Especially, if it was done salaciously as what we've been living. 

 

I think that now we have normalcy back in the White House, I don't know if it would be as appealing. 

39 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

 

A Capitol reboot would've been must-see TV these past 4 years. Especially, if it was done salaciously as what we've been living. 

 

I think that now we have normalcy back in the White House, I don't know if it would be as appealing. 

 

I think it would be more appealing because there is normalcy in the White House.  

 

Edited March 24, 20214 yr by Soaplovers

8 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

 

I think it would be more appealing because there is normalcy in the White House.  

 

 

Possibly.

 

I think that because we were living a soap opera for 4 years that people are over it, and the best time for a show like that to have occurred would've been at the height of it all. 

 

That aside, EON is the one soap that could truly work at any time as procedurals/crime shows are always in demand. 

 

 

With clever writing, quirky characters, and a "film noir" look about it, you just can't help but think "Edge of Night" could always be a jackpot.  

15 hours ago, ironlion said:

I'd resurrect OLTL. The dark concept would more work on OLTL. Granted it was certainly past it's prime with in 2012, but the writers attempted to make the show interesting by having things happen (compared to ATWT, GL, and AMC).

 

OLTL already had the dark Riverdale vibe that Kelly and Mark are trying to turn AMC into. Latter day One Life had stories like Hannah forcing James & Starr at gunpoint to dig their own graves, psycho cult leader Mitch, and the prison break finalie. Even the older show like Viki's Alters, the music box killer,Todd, and Colin/Norah/Lindsay would definately fit that dark style.

OLTL isn’t as ingrained in the pop cultural zeitgeist as AMC, so I doubt a potential resurrection of that show would fare any better than a resurrection of AMC (which is still a big gamble in itself).

 

And OLTL seemed to have more identities over the years than its’ main heroine had personalities, so is it really known as such a “dark” show to the general public??

Most probably remember it for the multiple personalities and an underground city. (LOL)

AMC, in addition to the comedy & lighter stuff, had many “dark” moments & stories over the decades - no one remembers:  Billy Clyde burying Estelle alive after raping her (Emily Ann’s conception)??  Erica’s brother, Mark’s, raging cocaine addiction?? A vigilante hate group setting a house fire with AIDS patient Cindy inside, attempting to murder her?? Janet’s sadistic torment of Natalie at the bottom of a well, taunting her for weeks before leaving her to die?? Julia’s violent rape/impregnation by gang member/drug dealer Louie Greco (later being verbally attacked by her staunch Catholic parents and physically attacked by “Pro-Life” protestors outside a PV clinic after deciding  to abort)?? White supremacists nearly beating Terrance to death?? Ceara’s past revealed as an incest rape victim?? Erica’s past revealed as a 14-year-old rape victim, with the product of that rape (Kendall) bringing her pedophile rapist father to town to torment her mother?? Erica’s prescription pill addiction?? Bianca’s anorexia?? Jim revealed as a child pornographer?? A crazed homophobe attempting to shoot & murder gay high school teacher, Michael Delaney, live on a local talk show?? Gay teen Kevin being sent to “conversion therapy” by his parents??  ....

I could go on, but people need to stop with the “AMC was NEVER dark, so the sequel won’t work as a dark show!!” 🙄
“Dark” doesn’t have to mean GRAPHICALLY VIOLENT or OUTLANDISHLY EXTREME.

It could be a family secret (which AMC, as well as ALL of the soaps, had in spades).

Yes, AMC was well-known for humor and light touches - and I feel they can include both, while still keeping it “dark” (I’ve grown to abhor that word) if Pine Valley comes to fruition (even SVU - a show about sex crimes - includes humor and light subplots).

 

The town of Pine Valley was once referred to as the “Peyton Place of daytime” (or something similar) by an executive producer back in the ‘90s (Francesca James??).

I imagine Pine Valley will be more akin to that.

They should include Phoebe and Enid’s snobby, discriminatory women’s club “The Daughters of Fine Lineage” - I bet those bigoted bitches did some hateful, “DARK” things in their history.

But I would also hope they would incorporate some of the Gothic elements we saw with early Cortlandt Manor and early Wildwind.

Edited March 24, 20214 yr by Pine Charles

I would agree that OLTL isn't what comes to mind immediately when non soap buffs think of daytime dramas. That would be more GH, AMC, DAYS and somewhat Y&R. No one really talks about GL, ATWT, or even OLTL anymore.

 

If soaps were to come back I'd want them in daytime not primetime. Honestly speaking, there seems to be no capable writers anymore, nor are there decent production values any longer so that golden era nostalgic magic may never come back. That is unless major changes occur.