41 minutes ago, BellCuore said:

 

Really so him choking her is not abuse???? Please do not insult people when they clearly know the s/l is all abuse.

 

Please I am offended that you can downplay something so serious....You should be careful cause people who post here or others who may watch in here,  may have been a victim of abuse which I can see a post as yours making them wonder how you can ignore she was abused...

 

Maybe to you she has been a nightmare but I find many people who have been on nightmare other than her on the show.

 

 In regards to Lily, she and Ashley were the ones who embarrassed her publically and would have been fired had the boss seen them in action. They belittled her in front of employees. Also Ashley planned from to go after Victoria as she had a secret meeting with Lily to get her to join forces with her instead of Victoria. She asked Lily for all her help before she took the position and Lily agreed. Ashley made Abby aware of this as well. 

 

Victoria is no saint but what Ashley and Lily did 1st at the employee appreciation meeting would never have flown with any boss watching them speak to a COO in front of the employee's that way.

 

Had they had any issue's they needed to speak to Victoria who was COO at the time privately not in front of other employees which was highly unprofessional. 

 

You do not have a right to insult anybody. I have been watching the show from the start... You have no right to say  your opinion is more valid than others.  You have attacked posters here because they don't share your opinion or you felt you can just decide to insult them. 

 

You clearly lack respect for other posters and their viewpoints, but you do not have a right to call people names or attack...Including your consistent sarcasm, roll eyes for people who have done nothing to you and  also your constant negativity. 

 

ETA- I have ignored your posts until I see something horrendous as you saying this s/l she was not abused.

 

I will put you on ignore....You having nothing positive to share not to mention the blatant disrespect and rudeness, name calling for other posters who did nothing but share their opinion which I do not want to have to see ....Sayonara. 

 

blahblahlah, they are trying to play up the verbal abuse aspect because they know the physical abuse aspect is basically non-existent. He "choked" her but she slapped him in the same scene, so what's good? It's one thing to go ahead and pursue/execute a storyline like this, but it is a whole nother to halfheartedly ATTEMPT this kind of SL in the way Y&R has. It's an insult to those of us that have actually experienced abuse. 

 

i mean they keep playing up the "he pushed Victor down the stairs, omg!" angle of this story as well, when anyone that watched saw Victor beating the crap out of JT a few minutes earlier and JT only pushed Vic out of self-defence/knee-jerk reaction. So, really... what's good?

 

PS: get a grip, or please continue to ignore my posts.

Just now, dio said:

 

blahblahlah, they are trying to play up the verbal abuse aspect because they know the physical abuse aspect is basically non-existent. He "choked" her but she slapped him in the same scene, so what's good? It's one thing to go ahead and pursue/execute a storyline like this, but it is a whole nother to halfheartedly ATTEMPT this kind of SL in the way Y&R has. It's an insult to those of us that have actually experienced abuse. 

 

i mean they keep playing up the "he pushed Victor down the stairs, omg!" angle of this story as well, when anyone that watched saw Victor beating the crap out of JT a few minutes earlier and JT only pushed Vic out of self-defence/knee-jerk reaction. So, really... what's good?

 

PS: get a grip, or please continue to ignore my posts.

 

 

YOU get a grip. YOU will NOT BULLY ME.....She also did not slap him. I have the episode saved and many who saw know she only tried to get away from him...He manipulated her to believe otherwise. 

 

 

 You ignore my posts. You cannot bully me or anybody else. Who are you to disrespect anybody who did nothing to you? You are childish and immature. You seem to think you need to get the last word????

1 hour ago, BellCuore said:

 

 

YOU get a grip. YOU will NOT BULLY ME.....She also did not slap him. I have the episode saved and many who saw know she only tried to get away from him...He manipulated her to believe otherwise. 

 

 

 You ignore my posts. You cannot bully me or anybody else. Who are you to disrespect anybody who did nothing to you? You are childish and immature. You seem to think you need to get the last word????

 

i thought I was on ignore? 

 

she is continually slapping him and he's telling her to stop, but because he's a "big strong man" who cares, right?

 

 

and let me refresh your memory of this gem:

 

 

omg, Victoria is sooooo abusive! But wait...  So, you'll forgive me if I'm not falling for this bs, misogynist lazy writing. At no point in this storyline was Victoria ever portrayed or played as a victim, except to push the nonsense abuse aspect to BYSTANDERS (Sharon, her mom, and Phyl). I mean in Hawaii Victoria had ALL the power, even told JT to eff off and came back to Genoa City. 

Edited April 14, 20187 yr by dio

just stop talking to the person. all they want is attention and to fight. you know you're right AND have proven your point in SPADES. I put dio on ignore because of the person's response to me.

On 4/13/2018 at 1:14 PM, Roman said:

but will fake a pregnancy and lie saying it's Devon's baby. if this comes off her character IMPO will be ruined. 

 

Hilary is already ruined. What this lie ruins is Devon and Hilary's romance for good. 

 

But I lean more towards her world rocked being that Hilary finding out she's not pregnant after she thought she was and attempted to use the baby to control Devon. Further pushing him away and ending their little reunion this go round. This moves her on to Kyle so she can play Bonnie and Clyde with him until he eventually dumps her for summer/Mariah. 

 

Whatever it is, it will involve a scheme and manipulation by Hilary that will blow up in her face. 

On 4/14/2018 at 1:03 PM, dio said:

 

ok.

 

ETA: this is cute, because JT telling Vic to chill out because she's acting crazy = verbal abuse, but Vic literally eviscerating Lily in front of all her co-workers is just girl talk? LOL Get a grip, people. All this stuff isn't happening in a vacuum, and those of us that have been WATCHING THE SHOW have seen how Vic has been acting... she's been a freaking nightmare... but that's OK because she's a girl. 

 

give me a break. 

 

(and this is coming from someone that HATES Lily and was living for that scene, negl )

 

also: I DON'T EVEN LIKE JT, so let's get that straight. I actually dislike all parties involved, so my perspective is about as objective as you can get. LOL

 

Whatever occured between Vikki and Lily/Abby/Ashley doesn't mean that Vikki can't be abused by JT. It's like your saying Vikki deserved what JT did because she was mean to some others at work. 

Edited April 16, 20187 yr by ajsp35801

9 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Hilary is already ruined. What this lie ruins is Devon and Hilary's romance for good. 

 

But I lean more towards her world rocked being that Hilary finding out she's not pregnant after she thought she was and attempted to use the baby to control Devon. Further pushing him away and ending their little reunion this go round. This moves her on to Kyle so she can play Bonnie and Clyde with him until he eventually dumps her for summer/Mariah. 

 

Whatever it is, it will involve a scheme and manipulation by Hilary that will blow up in her face. 

 

Whatever occured between Vikki and Lily/Abby/Ashley doesn't mean that Vikki can't be abused by JT. It's like your saying Vikki deserved what JT did because she was mean to some others at work. 

I would like for Hillary to just move on, but it will Devon and only him to do this. he keeps giving her chance after chance the fouler she gets. 

as for that poster, yes. they have been saying that Vicki is at fault for JT's horrible behavior. where that person got that from is beyond me.  blamingg an abused person for the abuser's behavior.....can never get behind that.

1 hour ago, Roman said:

I would like for Hillary to just move on, but it will Devon and only him to do this. he keeps giving her chance after chance the fouler she gets. 

as for that poster, yes. they have been saying that Vicki is at fault for JT's horrible behavior. where that person got that from is beyond me.  blamingg an abused person for the abuser's behavior.....can never get behind that.

 

Move on to what? Look around canvas. What possibly is there for hilary to move on to long term?  

 

It's almost like the poster us saying JTs behevior is Vikki's karma. 

Edited April 16, 20187 yr by ajsp35801

12 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Hilary is already ruined. What this lie ruins is Devon and Hilary's romance for good. 

 

But I lean more towards her world rocked being that Hilary finding out she's not pregnant after she thought she was and attempted to use the baby to control Devon. Further pushing him away and ending their little reunion this go round. This moves her on to Kyle so she can play Bonnie and Clyde with him until he eventually dumps her for summer/Mariah. 

 

Whatever it is, it will involve a scheme and manipulation by Hilary that will blow up in her face. 

 

Whatever occured between Vikki and Lily/Abby/Ashley doesn't mean that Vikki can't be abused by JT. It's like your saying Vikki deserved what JT did because she was mean to some others at work. 

 

nope. What I'm saying is how can we as viewers draw a line? Do we take what we are seeing as evidence, or are we just supposed to believe what characters tell us is happening? How are we supposed to label JT an abuser but ignore Victoria oe Victor's own abusive behaviour? Um, hello?

 

as for the Hilary stuff - it's obvious they're not gonna make her do anything too terrible, as exemplified by Lily being an obstacle for her/Devon's relationship. I'm sure what "rocks" her will be some sort of Lily/Cane scheme. 

 

 

On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 10:56 AM, Elsa said:

 

That she can't have kids?

 

On ‎4‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 12:47 PM, Khan said:

 

My guess: just as Hilary and Devon are celebrating the news of her pregnancy, her doctor informs her she has cancer (or something).  So, she has to make the choice: either carry the baby to full term and possibly die...or go ahead and abort the child in order to live, and possibility never conceive again.

 

Again, though, it's just my guess.

 

Alternate guess: Hilary and Devon learn there's a chance their baby will be born with some health issue -- again, leading to the debate over whether Hilary should keep the baby.

 

I hope that Hilary is able to have children ?(and is in good health) but maybe we will find out that she isn't. I definitely wonder what is going on with her.

 

Here's a few more Hilary/Devon spoilers that someone posted on Daytime Royalty's website for an article.

 

Hilary is going to try and mend fences with Devon by offering to go over business plans with him. Devon is not going to want to really be around her. He is going to tell Tessa to take Hilary to dinner to discuss the business plans instead. It looks Tessa/Hilary will go to the athletic club where Hilary will see Devon and Simone together. Hilary is going to try and interfere with their date and then faint and will wonder if she's pregnant.

 

I wonder how Devon will react to this information and if it will cross his mind that Hilary is pregnant. (Even if she isn't.) Maybe we will see Hilary go to the Doctor and get some information about her health.

 

 

 

Edited April 16, 20187 yr by xtr

1 hour ago, dio said:

 

nope. What I'm saying is how can we as viewers draw a line? Do we take what we are seeing as evidence, or are we just supposed to believe what characters tell us is happening? How are we supposed to label JT an abuser but ignore Victoria oe Victor's own abusive behaviour? Um, hello?

 

as for the Hilary stuff - it's obvious they're not gonna make her do anything too terrible, as exemplified by Lily being an obstacle for her/Devon's relationship. I'm sure what "rocks" her will be some sort of Lily/Cane scheme. 

 

 

 

But who is ignoring Victoria and Victor's behavior, though? Who says that Victor isn't an abusive man or that Victoria hasn't don't dirt to others. Neither negates that JT is wrong. 

 

That lily and cane drama seemed a story bridge of sorts. I'm fairly sure that Hilary will be the villain to her own story coming up. Lily's role will be saying "I knew I was right". That's been the dynanic for years now. I doubt this arc is a departure from that. 

1 hour ago, xtr said:

 

 

I hope that Hilary is able to have children ?(and is in good health) but maybe we will find out that she isn't. I definitely wonder what is going on with her.

 

Here's a few more Hilary/Devon spoilers that someone posted on Daytime Royalty's website for an article.

 

Hilary is going to try and mend fences with Devon by offering to go over business plans with him. Devon is not going to want to really be around her. He is going to tell Tessa to take Hilary to dinner to discuss the business plans instead. It looks Tessa/Hilary will go to the athletic club where Hilary will see Devon and Simone together. Hilary is going to try and interfere with their date and then faint and will wonder if she's pregnant.

 

I wonder how Devon will react to this information and if it will cross his mind that Hilary is pregnant. (Even if she isn't.) Maybe we will see Hilary go to the Doctor and get some information about her health.

 

 

 

 

Devon will assume Hilary is faking more than likely. The show seems insistent on having him appear smart where she's concerned (drawing up a contract) but only succeeds in making him look stupid (having a baby with a woman that he feels he has to draw up the contract with in the first place). 

Edited April 16, 20187 yr by ajsp35801

2 hours ago, dio said:

 

nope. What I'm saying is how can we as viewers draw a line? Do we take what we are seeing as evidence, or are we just supposed to believe what characters tell us is happening? How are we supposed to label JT an abuser but ignore Victoria oe Victor's own abusive behaviour? Um, hello?

 

+1.

1 hour ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

But who is ignoring Victoria and Victor's behavior, though? Who says that Victor isn't an abusive man or that Victoria hasn't don't dirt to others. Neither negates that JT is wrong. 

 

That lily and cane drama seemed a story bridge of sorts. I'm fairly sure that Hilary will be the villain to her own story coming up. Lily's role will be saying "I knew I was right". That's been the dynanic for years now. I doubt this arc is a departure from that. 

 

 

you can't villanise a character for behaving the same way numerous characters (in the same storyline, mind you) are behaving. That's just lazy storytelling, gender/character bias, and crapping on viewers in general. Ew.

 

as for Hilary... nah. I feel like the writers are truly trying to free Hilary from being "messy" herself, and she will be a character that more oft than not will be finding herself in mess as it were. And I do believe this is only the beginning of Lily sheming... the door has been opened, and the actress probably likes the idea of playing a more layered character. I think she probs won't be able to conceive/will get ovarian cancer, or something. And then the little sis she's sponsoring will get pregnant (by Charlie?) and Hilary will raise that baby... probably keep it secret that Charlie's the father (Lily and them will find out later...) 

6 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Move on to what? Look around canvas. What possibly is there for hilary to move on to long term?  

 

It's almost like the poster us saying JTs behevior is Vikki's karma. 

 

Look. I have stopped watching her story because IMPO she's shot to hell. 

6 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Move on to what? Look around canvas. What possibly is there for hilary to move on to long term?  

 

It's almost like the poster us saying JTs behevior is Vikki's karma. 

Karma can come in other ways except flipping out and grabbing a woman by her throat, after she was told by the man's former wife that he lost his good sense after a series of crises. 

6 hours ago, ajsp35801 said:

 

Move on to what? Look around canvas. What possibly is there for hilary to move on to long term?  

 

It's almost like the poster us saying JTs behevior is Vikki's karma. 

 

i hope this isn't referring to me... 

1 hour ago, dio said:

 

you can't villanise a character for behaving the same way numerous characters (in the same storyline, mind you) are behaving. That's just lazy storytelling, gender/character bias, and crapping on viewers in general. Ew.

 

as for Hilary... nah. I feel like the writers are truly trying to free Hilary from being "messy" herself, and she will be a character that more oft than not will be finding herself in mess as it were. And I do believe this is only the beginning of Lily sheming... the door has been opened, and the actress probably likes the idea of playing a more layered character. I think she probs won't be able to conceive/will get ovarian cancer, or something. And then the little sis she's sponsoring will get pregnant (by Charlie?) and Hilary will raise that baby... probably keep it secret that Charlie's the father (Lily and them will find out later...) 

 

In this current story, who is acting like JT? 

 

Also thought that girl would have Charlie's kid that hilary adopts. We will see about that. 

39 minutes ago, dio said:

 

i hope this isn't referring to me... 

 

Yes, I'm referring to what I'm getting from your explanations