On the other hand, when CBS did own soaps that had been sponsor-owned in the past, the results weren't great.  Just ask fans of SECRET STORM and LOVE OF LIFE who still remember that period.

On the other hand, when CBS did own soaps that had been sponsor-owned in the past, the results weren't great.  Just ask fans of SECRET STORM and LOVE OF LIFE who still remember that period.

You know that I vaguely remember Love of Life but don't even remember Secret Storm….LOL

vetsoapfan,

Agreed - "younger" and "sexier" are not really two words that I would equate to Peter Simon, especially as Simon was only 3 years younger than Hulswit. I'm surprised that Marland was that harsh on Hulswit, but I have also read that Hulswit was critical of the writing once Marland took over. I never got used to Hulswit, either, and Van Vleet was SO wrong for that part.

Speaking of Marland, what did you think of his time on GL after the Dobsons?

I was also surprised that Marland would make such harsh comments about Hulswit. he was usually so respectful in interviews. I thought the Dobsons' TGL was very strong, and I was not happy with everything that happened during Marland's reign, but I generally enjoyed his work there. He did use most of the characters, and did not sideline all of the vets, which so many incoming headwriters tend to do. I think his stints at GH and ATWT were stronger, however.

I have a question was Agnes Nixon's writing style the same on all the soaps she was Head Writer or did it change?

I was fortunate enough to enjoy Nixon's work on TGL, AW, OLTL, and AMC, and I would say that her style basically remain the same. She was very good at creating a sense of community among various characters from different socio-economic backgrounds. She excelled at three-dimensional characters, interpersonal-relationship drama, young romance, and family conflict. She could use comedy without it deteriorating into moronic camp. Her teen characters, like Johnny Fletcher and Peggy Scott on TGL and Tara Martin and Phil Brent on AMC, were not sappy and cloying, which is so often the case with teenagers on soaps. I would say that the only aspect of her writing that changed (or perhaps "evolved") over the years, was her ability to be forthright in presenting social issues. On the conservative P&G soaps, she had to be more careful about the material she dealt with, but once she went over to ABC, she had more freedom to present frank situations and dialogue. She is the epitome of a Master Writer.

 

I think Phelps did well with the great writing team that was Demorest/Reilly/Curlee/Broderick but once it seemed both Reilly and Curlee left the show just faltered especially once Douglas Anderson took over the reins as HW. Of course P&G went into transition as whole there in 1994 when Edward Trach retired and was replaced by longtime ATWT supervising producer Kennenth Fitts as the head honcho which proved highly disastrous in the long run, so much so by 1996 everyone in charge of a P&G soap was fired including Fitts himself. Reva was an albatross for GL whether you liked her or not and even at GL's peak success during the above mentioned writing quad viewers were wondering when Reva was coming back. So much of an albatross that once the show was floundering and lost direction there was no choice but to bring Reva back. Certainly Phelps has been an excellent producer on the aesthetics whether it be Santa Barbara, GL, AW, or Y&R but works best with good writing involved. I hadn't minded Phelps at Y&R at all really until Pratt got involved. 

Yes, many producers are good with the aesthetics, which certainly is a plus, but fail if they do not have strong headwriters to work with. I'd put John Conboy, Gloria Monty and Paul Rauch in this category along with Phelps.

Specifically, I mean inconsistent writing (Peggy O'Shea and Henry Slesar were great, but everyone else...?) and poor acting from many of the show's younger, less experienced actors.  Cat Hickland was pretty good, I thought (although, I tend to agree with the opinion that she was better as Jenny Diamond than as Julie Clegg McCandless); Jess Walton, too.  But, my God, some of those others....  

Indeed, Peggy O'Shea and Henry Slesar were by far the show's best headwriters. The Karpfs, who created the series, were quite weak, and some of the original cast was dreadful. I thought Bill Beyers as Wally was adorable and talented, but others among the younger set of actors were painful to watch.

vetsoapfan,

Agreed - "younger" and "sexier" are not really two words that I would equate to Peter Simon, especially as Simon was only 3 years younger than Hulswit. I'm surprised that Marland was that harsh on Hulswit, but I have also read that Hulswit was critical of the writing once Marland took over. I never got used to Hulswit, either, and Van Vleet was SO wrong for that part.

Speaking of Marland, what did you think of his time on GL after the Dobsons?

I was also surprised that Marland would make such harsh comments about Hulswit. he was usually so respectful in interviews. I thought the Dobsons' TGL was very strong, and I was not happy with everything that happened during Marland's reign, but I generally enjoyed his work there. He did use most of the characters, and did not sideline all of the vets, which so many incoming headwriters tend to do. I think his stints at GH and ATWT were stronger, however.

I have a question was Agnes Nixon's writing style the same on all the soaps she was Head Writer or did it change?

I was fortunate enough to enjoy Nixon's work on TGL, AW, OLTL, and AMC, and I would say that her style basically remain the same. She was very good at creating a sense of community among various characters from different socio-economic backgrounds. She excelled at three-dimensional characters, interpersonal-relationship drama, young romance, and family conflict. She could use comedy without it deteriorating into moronic camp. Her teen characters, like Johnny Fletcher and Peggy Scott on TGL and Tara Martin and Phil Brent on AMC, were not sappy and cloying, which is so often the case with teenagers on soaps. I would say that the only aspect of her writing that changed (or perhaps "evolved") over the years, was her ability to be forthright in presenting social issues. On the conservative P&G soaps, she had to be more careful about the material she dealt with, but once she went over to ABC, she had more freedom to present frank situations and dialogue. She is the epitome of a Master Writer.

Hulswit was better looking than Marland…..sorry Marland might have been a good writer but his looks were the shits….LOL

 

Hulswit was better looking than Marland…..sorry Marland might have been a good writer but his looks were the shits….LOL

 

I actually did find Hulswit cute as a button, even though some folks complained about his supposed pudginess and thin hair. What TPTB don't understand is, the audience loves certain actors and characters regardless of their sex appeal. I've always found Tony Geary of GH to be homely, but he certainly captivated the interest of countless young women in the audience, even with his weak chin and dreadful hairdo. The audience loved Judith Light on OLTL, even though she was carrying extra weight during her time on that show, and her hair often looked fried and in need of a good conditioner. TPTB should not delude themselves into thinking that we are all so shallow that only perfect-looking mannequins will lure us in. I watched TGL for the likes of Papa Bauer, Bert Bauer, and Aunt Meta; shirtless muscles hunks would not have kept me tuned in for 40 years! Losing Mart Hulswit, and his familiar, comforting presence as Ed Bauer, really hurt the show.

Edited November 24, 201510 yr by vetsoapfan

Re: Capitol. I felt that it was a time-filler/placeholder until Bill Bell had a second show ready for CBS. I remember reading a Bill Bell interview where he mentioned CBS approached him as early as 1977 about creating a second show for the network's daytime lineup, but for whatever reason that didn't happen until a decade later.

 

 

Papa Bell probably didn't want anything to distract him from his "baby," Y&R.  However, creating and producing B&B allowed him (that is, his company) an opportunity to own 100% of a series as well as the chance to train his family in the family business.

 

Hulswit was better looking than Marland…..sorry Marland might have been a good writer but his looks were the shits….LOL

 

I actually did find Hulswit cute as a button, even though some folks complained about his supposed pudginess and thin hair. What TPTB don't understand is, the audience loves certain actors and characters regardless of their sex appeal. I've always found Tony Geary of GH to be homely, but he certainly captivated the interest of countless young women in the audience, even with his weak chin and dreadful hairdo. The audience loved Judith Light on OLTL, even though she was carrying extra weight during her time on that show, and her hair often looked fried and in need of a good conditioner. TPTB should not delude themselves into thinking that we are all so shallow that only perfect-looking mannequins will lure us in. I watched TGL for the likes of Papa Bauer, Bert Bauer, and Aunt Meta; shirtless muscles hunks would not have kept me tuned in for 40 years! Losing Mart Hulswit, and his familiar, comforting presence as Ed Bauer, really hurt the show.

Agreed on both counts…I grew up with Hulswit, Van Fleet(an awful recast IMO but good actor) and Peter Simon…out of the 3….Hulswit was my favorite and will always be Ed for me.

Oh, God, Richard Van Vleet.  When GL decided they could replace Dr. Ed Bauer with Dr. Chuck Tyler without anyone being the wiser.  To think, though, his Ed was the one who fathered Michelle.

Oh, God, Richard Van Vleet.  When GL decided they could replace Dr. Ed Bauer with Dr. Chuck Tyler without anyone being the wiser.  To think, though, his Ed was the one who fathered Michelle.

Ha …and he played opposite Ellen Dolan…although I thought Ellen made a better Maureen than Margo on ATWT.

Edited November 24, 201510 yr by Soapsuds

 

I have a question was Agnes Nixon's writing style the same on all the soaps she was Head Writer or did it change?

I was fortunate enough to enjoy Nixon's work on TGL, AW, OLTL, and AMC, and I would say that her style basically remain the same. She was very good at creating a sense of community among various characters from different socio-economic backgrounds. She excelled at three-dimensional characters, interpersonal-relationship drama, young romance, and family conflict. She could use comedy without it deteriorating into moronic camp. Her teen characters, like Johnny Fletcher and Peggy Scott on TGL and Tara Martin and Phil Brent on AMC, were not sappy and cloying, which is so often the case with teenagers on soaps. I would say that the only aspect of her writing that changed (or perhaps "evolved") over the years, was her ability to be forthright in presenting social issues. On the conservative P&G soaps, she had to be more careful about the material she dealt with, but once she went over to ABC, she had more freedom to present frank situations and dialogue. She is the epitome of a Master Writer.

Do you think if Agnes head wrote Y&R and B&B would they be different soaps altogether same goes for Bill Bell and in concerns with OLTL, AMC and Loving

Oh, God, Richard Van Vleet.  When GL decided they could replace Dr. Ed Bauer with Dr. Chuck Tyler without anyone being the wiser.  To think, though, his Ed was the one who fathered Michelle.

Ha …and he played opposite Ellen Dolan…although I thought Ellen made a better Maureen than Margo on ATWT.

I never warmed up to Dolan in either role. I always found her somewhat aloof and distant. Ellen Parker was was a much better Maureen Bauer, IMHO, exuding a warmth, kindness, and compassion that had been lacking in the character until Parker took over the role.

 

As for ATWT, let's just say that Dolan was my...third favorite Margo Hughes; better suited for the role than the dreadful Glynnis O'Connor, but lacking the charm of Hillary Bailey Smith and Margaret Colin.

 

 

Do you think if Agnes head wrote Y&R and B&B would they be different soaps altogether same goes for Bill Bell and in concerns with OLTL, AMC and Loving

Oh, absolutely. Bell and Nixon were both masters of their craft, but had completely different writing styles.

Oh, God, Richard Van Vleet.  When GL decided they could replace Dr. Ed Bauer with Dr. Chuck Tyler without anyone being the wiser.  To think, though, his Ed was the one who fathered Michelle.

Ha …and he played opposite Ellen Dolan…although I thought Ellen made a better Maureen than Margo on ATWT.

I never warmed up to Dolan in either role. I always found her somewhat aloof and distant. Ellen Parker was was a much better Maureen Bauer, IMHO, exuding a warmth, kindness, and compassion that had been lacking in the character until Parker took over the role.

 

As for ATWT, let's just say that Dolan was my...third favorite Margo Hughes; better suited for the role than the dreadful Glynnis O'Connor, but lacking the charm of Hillary Bailey Smith and Margaret Colin.

 

 

Do you think if Agnes head wrote Y&R and B&B would they be different soaps altogether same goes for Bill Bell and in concerns with OLTL, AMC and Loving

 

Oh, absolutely. Bell and Nixon were both masters of their craft, but had completely different writing styles.

Yes Ellen was 3rd in Margo favorites….no one will hold a candle to Hillary Bailey Smith in the role…she owned it!  Margaret Colin would be my 2nd favorite Margo. GO was just awful as Margo.

 

Hulswit was better looking than Marland…..sorry Marland might have been a good writer but his looks were the shits….LOL

 

I actually did find Hulswit cute as a button, even though some folks complained about his supposed pudginess and thin hair. What TPTB don't understand is, the audience loves certain actors and characters regardless of their sex appeal. I've always found Tony Geary of GH to be homely, but he certainly captivated the interest of countless young women in the audience, even with his weak chin and dreadful hairdo. The audience loved Judith Light on OLTL, even though she was carrying extra weight during her time on that show, and her hair often looked fried and in need of a good conditioner. TPTB should not delude themselves into thinking that we are all so shallow that only perfect-looking mannequins will lure us in. I watched TGL for the likes of Papa Bauer, Bert Bauer, and Aunt Meta; shirtless muscles hunks would not have kept me tuned in for 40 years! Losing Mart Hulswit, and his familiar, comforting presence as Ed Bauer, really hurt the show.

Agreed on both counts…I grew up with Hulswit, Van Fleet(an awful recast IMO but good actor) and Peter Simon…out of the 3….Hulswit was my favorite and will always be Ed for me.

Hulswit was better looking than Marland…..sorry Marland might have been a good writer but his looks were the shits….LOL

 

I actually did find Hulswit cute as a button, even though some folks complained about his supposed pudginess and thin hair. What TPTB don't understand is, the audience loves certain actors and characters regardless of their sex appeal. I've always found Tony Geary of GH to be homely, but he certainly captivated the interest of countless young women in the audience, even with his weak chin and dreadful hairdo. The audience loved Judith Light on OLTL, even though she was carrying extra weight during her time on that show, and her hair often looked fried and in need of a good conditioner. TPTB should not delude themselves into thinking that we are all so shallow that only perfect-looking mannequins will lure us in. I watched TGL for the likes of Papa Bauer, Bert Bauer, and Aunt Meta; shirtless muscles hunks would not have kept me tuned in for 40 years! Losing Mart Hulswit, and his familiar, comforting presence as Ed Bauer, really hurt the show.

Agreed, also. Hulswit was comforting as Ed, but he also had a temper and would fight back if pushed. Some of those scenes between Roger and Ed from the mid-to late 1970's - when they came to fisticuffs - were great, especially because Hulswit's Ed was clearly outmatched by Roger. But, it didn't matter - Ed was (usually) defending his family and wouldn't back down. I could never imagine Simon's Ed having enough emotion to come to fisticuffs with Roger Thorpe.

Plus, I thought Hulswit and Don Stewart really acted like true brothers onscreen, even though they didn't look a thing alike :-)