I got the impression you thought I was saying the same thing would have happened to Y&R if Bill Bell had still been in charge. My apologies.

Bell destroying his Abbotts & Newmans??? God, no! No worries.

Sharon - I don't know what to say about her. I'm not being sarcastic. I don't.

Not surprising. She has had one of the worst hatchet jobs done on her. I hope this more in character Sharon continues.

The same reason any rumors about what an actor likes or doesn't like is taken into account. This happened with Stafford, happens with Case, Morrow, Braeden, etc.

Perhaps I'm being slow but I still don't see how an actor's public or otherwise preferences change the viability of a character. They might change the direction or even actual existence of stories but the characters can still work.

My problem with Jack, beyond my disliking most of Bergman's work in recent years, is that I'm just not interested in most of his relationships. I don't think they're viable. I like his interaction with Jill, but most of the rest, I feel like either the actor chemistry isn't there, or the show has destroyed the bonds through years of bad writing choices. And I don't think the character is strong enough to be put into fresh circumstances. I basically see a middle-aged man crying as his dead father verbally abuses him over his latest engagement.

I don't know where this character can go.

Fair enough. Although, for the record, they could still go back to the relationships he's had with Jill, Traci, Ashley, Billy and even Phyllis, if she weren't such a cancer. As for romantic relationships, if the show hadn't foolishly killed off Diane, they could have easily reunited Alex Donnelly and Bergman--those two were great together. Alas...

I think this worked for Morrow years ago, but now, he's someone else where I feel like most of the character relationships are at a dead end and the actor isn't really able to change that, if he's even trying. I feel like a character like this mostly serves a purpose if you can build on his history and see how that influences him and his kids. He and his kids and the people around them are so vapid, it's going to take a lot of work, work which I don't see happening, to change that. Instead you have a guy with two grown kids who is in pissing contests with yet another brother. It just seems very off to me...stunted.

I don't disagree that he's aimless, but it's fixable because it's an issue of writing. Any good HW could potentially change that.

Exactly.

People were upset about Don Diamont being let go, but I think that people were OK with Colleen being written out, they were just angry about her being killed off.

And the reason it's still (barely) recognizable is because it held on to its vets, horribly written as they were. Nothing else.

I think so, too. I would have accepted their exits just fine but they didn't need to die.

For me it tends to depend on the vet. I will always think Y&R needs Jill. If someone in real life told me that Jill was awful and should go, then I'd probably yell at them (well, not if they're a relative - then I'd yell for other reasons).

There are other vets I see as disposable, and lucky to have cashed in on the past this long. And there are characters I'd still build things around and still see as viable, like Paul, but, if they were written out, I'd probably understand.

There are a select amount of characters who, to me, represent Y&R's identity. (of characters who are still alive) Jill, Nikki, probably VIctor...and after that, I see so many dead spots and it's tough to know who to keep and who to let go.

But I know everyone has their own view.

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I do think the problem with the Abbots and the Newmans is mainly the younger cast and terrible writing. Also, the fact that the business storylines never make sense anymore and those are the main storylines for those characters. Abby, Kyle, Summer, and Noah are pretty awful. I have never liked Joshua Morrow's Nick, but he's too ingrained at this point to let go.

I don't think the Abbots and the Newmans were ever meant to be these huge "clans" in a blood feud and I get sick of cheesy dialogue like Abby "don't worry Summer, it's awesome being both a Newman and an Abbot!" Victor and Nikki were basically loners who found each other (the orphan and the stripper) and had only 2 kids. Now they're overrun with too many grandkids and in-laws who are duplicative of each others' purpose, like Abby and Summer. They've also sainted Nikki the way they did with Kay, and it's boring.