releasing that many eppys at once is a terrible idea, it will flat out kill the shows. PP needs to get their act together, seriously

I wonder if it was like this.when soaps were barely starting on radio and when GL went to TV, didn't it take years for Agnes Nixon to get AMC on TV

Not really, though I guess Irna had to convince people to do ATWT as 30 mins.

With AMC it was diff--Agnes was a respected HW due to her 7 or so years on GL, and P&G were interested in her creating a soap for them. She pitched AMC but they passed in the end as they decided they didn't have room on their schedule and placed her at AW. Her huge success at AW (which she wrote for a while, while still writing GL) made ABC who were desperate for more daytime success notice, they asked for a soap, she created OLTL they asked for a second soap and she re-pitched AMC. One thing I've always wondered is if she changed the bible at all over those five years--she's spoken about how much more freedom ABC offered her and how that was hugly appealing.

Anyway long story short--I don't think that really compares to the PP situation, so your question confuses me but I enjoyed blabbering on.

I think the transition from radio to TV went a lot smoother since everyone wanted a TV and it was new and therefore people would watch anything just to have something to watch. There was no competition that was similar except movies, and TV dramatically cut into moviegoing.

With the internet all we have here is a different way to watch very similar or the exact same type of product, so there isn't this great yearning for product or this giant audience waiting for explode onto the scene.

Eric, I see your point. I guess I was seeing this more as a telanovela model. 20 episodes on, 20 episodes off. Give the actors more time to reherse, and the writers more time to write. Maybe 1/2 the number of episodes a year, but make each season really worth watching. I think that the writers can also maitain the ebb/flow of storyline so that the main storyline for that arc comes to conclusion after 20 epsiodes, but the B story becomes the focus of the next arc, and C story gets started at the end of the 1st arc.

I do hope that either way the model goes, AMC continues to be "down-to-earth" and realistic. I love checking-in on my small town and the inhabitants that just happen to call the place home.

All these suggestions are desperate grasping of straws. Viewers are already complaining about confusion etc.

Charles Dickens is the father of the serial format in print, he described what he wanted to do for the readers of his serial novels by saying, "make them laugh, make them cry, but most of all, make them wait!" Radio and television soaps followed those same objectives, so a serial should not be releasing tons of episodes at once, as that would take a way the much needed "make them wait" core aspect of the genre.

Edited July 24, 201312 yr by CCCapwell

Agnes Nixon has used that quote too--and her soaps are particularly Dickensian (the mix of over the top, near caricatured comic characters--both villains and good ones--with funny names, the bland but rootable young lovers torn apart, the social issues of the day incorporated.) But actually *and this is very anal of me* the quote now, it is thought, is from Wilkie Collins who of course wrote around the same time (Woman in White, The Moonstone) and who was friends with DIckens and was published in Dickens' magazines--and literally invented the cliffhanger with a character hanging off a cliff at the end of one of his installments.

OK now back to Linda telling us how awful the shows are.

Probably because, up until recently, online was the only place most people could see the shows and those same people would be the ones posting their reactions almost immediately. Although, the business of reducing the days from 4 to 2 seemed less to do with what people were actually posting (many of whom wanted it at 4 days, if not all 5) than it did with analyzing viewing patterns. Anyway, I can understand why they are doing it (it's not like they've had other feedback avenues to hear from) but it also makes me disappointed because the loudest and most repetitive voices, complaints, etc. are the ones demanding the return of characters that I particularly didn't care for. Those are the voices that basically want AMC to be the way it was when it went off the air.

Sometimes I wonder if this version of AMC is a placeholder. I wonder if they had gotten the fearsome foursome back (Zack, Kendall, Ryan, Greenlee) if we wouldn't be seeing them dominate the canvas once again. I wonder if the creative vision is really any different than what ABC had or if they are just making do with who and what they've got so far.

Apparently seems like making do with who and what they have to work with. Hence a shell of a show with a skeleton cast for finances reasons.

Someone else could say the same thing about the show's quality and mean it negatively. It really doesn't speak for itself when the opinions range from positive to negative and everything in between. If I say something's great and the person next to me says it's crap, which is it?

I've seen the redundant posts and complaints on the FB page. Many of the comments have more to do with who people want to see back, what they don't like and unfavorable comparisons to the ABC version those viewers apparently loved. If I were PP reading that page, I'd come away thinking the fans don't want anything other than Zendall, Rylee, the return of Erica, etc.

I don't want the ABC version the show devolved (imo) into but to read the online feedback, it sure sounds like a lot of people do and if that's the main avenue and kind of feedback that PP is seeing online, I wonder if there will be catering to that feedback as soon as they get the opportunity.

I have always assumed that TPTB have a more sophisticated approach to receive feedback than just facebook/message board comments. I think they keep them in consideration but not there main source. I mean, there were millions of viewers on ABC and still a large number of fans watching the new episodes that never go on the internet to post comments or go on message boards.

That being said every fan board including facebook has there focus and every fan board almost acts like a fan of its own. It seems like we attract the more crazy people (Bellcurve, Linda, that Brooke/Adam person, Me) while Soap Central attracts some of the more stupid people. We tend to hate Rylee/Zendall while the facebook people love them. I do think they take this board into account more because it is no secrete we are more knowledgeable than Soap Central.

They could have a system that detects parts of the episodes people skip the most and all the individual stories are time-coded. Lets say all the Jesse/Angie scenes for the first episode of some week are from 4:00-6:00 then 10:00:-15:00 then finally 20:00-22:00. Maybe if 20% of fans skip those times in the episode HuLu will report that to PP. Then PP can decide that "Since 20% of fans skip those times 20% of fans must hate the Jesse/Angie scenes. lets look at the message boards and Facebook to see why."

I don't know if there is a system like that in place but I am sure they have something similar. Maybe I could invent it for them!!

The Hubbard Preservation Foundation sounds awesome. Can't you just see the bronze statues in front of it complete with dancing waters and colorful flags with Debbi and Darnell's faces on them flapping in the breeze?

OMG!! That is the funniest thing I have read in forever

How many EP's creative visions survived in the face of vocal and rabid fanbases who usually have negative things to say unless they are getting what they want?

Truth is all fan want what they want and those wants are of differing opinions. There are those fan bases out there that nobody can be dismissive of. Y&R is getting pressure to get rid of their EP and even their HW. GH got new EP. EP's can be fired and/or replaced.

Truth is all fan want what they want and those wants are of differing opinions. There are those fan bases out there that nobody can be dismissive of. Y&R is getting pressure to get rid of their EP and even their HW. GH got new EP. EP's can be fired and/or replaced.

they can but you really think the networks listen

I wonder if it was like this.when soaps were barely starting on radio and when GL went to TV, didn't it take years for Agnes Nixon to get AMC on TV

I am sure. There were many shows that had to be retooled over and over again until they gave up. I think Portia Faces Life and Rode of Life had a lot of issues until they finally canceled them. Many of them changed focus and changed actors quite a bit.

During the radio years the schedules were pretty crazy at one point. I am not sure but I think some were MWF and some alternated everyweek I believe.

I think people were more tolerant to change however in general back then when it came to entertainment.

Truth is all fan want what they want and those wants are of differing opinions. There are those fan bases out there that nobody can be dismissive of. Y&R is getting pressure to get rid of their EP and even their HW. GH got new EP. EP's can be fired and/or replaced.

Is this English?

I think PP needs to stick to a schedule right now and not change it every month.

This latest change effect 7/1/2013 didn't affect AMC at all... in fact the first episode is usually a top 5 on Monday and sometimes a top 10 on uesday.. I think OLTL has been affected more then AMC with the latest schedule change. If I had opted to do this my way, I would have dropped all episodes of AMC on monday.. and all episodes of OLTL on Tuesday (especially since people were use to seeing OLTL on Tuesday for over two months).. Plus, no print advertisements either for the change on 7/1. Advertising online is not the only way to go..

I am sure. There were many shows that had to be retooled over and over again until they gave up. I think Portia Faces Life and Rode of Life had a lot of issues until they finally canceled them. Many of them changed focus and changed actors quite a bit.

During the radio years the schedules were pretty crazy at one point. I am not sure but I think some were MWF and some alternated everyweek I believe.

I think people were more tolerant to change however in general back then when it came to entertainment.

this is why I not OTT worrying, this is a new thing for everyone