LOL yes, ma'am, that's the one. Back in the day, it was the Prevue Channel. I believe they're trying to phase the listings out, but...well, as we all know, when people who refuse to modernize make a lot of noise, they get their way.

Thank you. That explains a lot. I'm not trying to throw shade but I think it says a lot that AMC hit 235K on OWN with no promotion while Y&R hit 362K on a channel that benefits from people trying to figure out whether they are watching QVC or HSN.

In my area, they pulled the listings off of TVGN years ago though in some areas TVGN still has listings (though during Y&R they do not run them.) To get listings on screen where I live you have to pay the cable company more money per month as you have to either have advanced cable box or a DVR from them for each television beyond the first. If you have multiple televisions, it gets a bit pricey (about $10 a month per every tv and this is for the non-DVR cable box), so I wish I had the TVGN listings option still.

TVGN did a good job promoting the move of Y&R to their station by the in character ads on not just SoapNet (since I don't have Soapnet anymore due to cable dropping it) but also on CBS during the regular Y&R broadcast.

Edited September 17, 201312 yr by ~bl~

What is the point of repeatedly telling people here that the show is over. This isn't a frothing at the mouth board full of people who are going to go run shirtless in the street shouting "PP IS NOT FOR ME!" or "OWN MY ASS, OPRAH TRAITOR!!!!"

Jonny, your every post is demanding that everyone accept your opinion as the only truth. I thought OLTL had issues but I thought it was a good show, and it was not anywhere near the disastrous financial flop you're making it out to be either. And frankly, your taste is shot if you think Jean Passanante is a great HW and just what Y&R needs. If you can't handle the fact that people don't agree with you, take it somewhere else. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

In my experience, Vee, you are the who struggles the most here to accept the fact people don't always agree with you. You constantly order others to STFU and demand they accept your pov as the only valid one. Unless you're a mod, I don't understand where you get off ordering Jonny or anyone to post somewhere else.

And for the record, ITA with you on JP. She's horrendous and soaps need to stop recycling lousy talent.

Edited September 19, 201312 yr by TeamEric

He's been going from thread to thread like this for at least two weeks. If you have a problem with people talking about it, take it up with the other half-dozen people who have said worse to him instead of bothering me.

He's been going from thread to thread like this for at least two weeks. If you have a problem with people talking about it, take it up with the other half-dozen people who have said worse to him instead of bothering me.

It takes some chuzpah for you to play the victim card now.

You're the one with a long pattern of trying to stifle differing povs. If someone doesn't agree with your take, you can't just civilly disagree so you insult them, call them blind, stupid, having no taste, etc., and then often tell them to STFU. That's wrong and you need to be called out for that even if the mods won't do anything.

Thanks for that off-topic sojourn, Eric.

It takes some chuzpah for you to play the victim card now.

You're the one with a long pattern of trying to stifle differing povs. If someone doesn't agree with your take, you can't just civilly disagree so you insult them, call them blind, stupid, having no taste, etc., and then often tell them to STFU. That's wrong and you need to be called out for that even if the mods won't do anything.

What the hell Eric, No one here was telling Jonny to shut up. We were saying and if u look over the thread, you will see that many have told him:

If you feel its over fine, but dont anyone else how to feel and when they need to move on.

Attacking Vee or anyone over this is stupid especially when no one ever attacked Jonny about this,

What the hell Eric, No one here was telling Jonny to shut up. We were saying and if u look over the thread, you will see that many have told him:

If you feel its over fine, but dont anyone else how to feel and when they need to move on.

Attacking Vee or anyone over this is stupid especially when no one ever attacked Jonny about this,

John, I had no problem with those objecting to Jonny's posts about moving on.

I ONLY took exception to Vee saying "You don't have to go home but you can't stay here." Because that's a pattern of his to tell others their different povs aren't welcome here and that's wrong. He finds it off-topic, maybe it is, but I'm tired of reading him telling others to STFU. He doesn't have that right.

Eric, that old phrase is a well-known expression, not a personal order by me. Welcome to Earth.

Edited September 19, 201312 yr by Vee

What is the point of repeatedly telling people here that the show is over. This isn't a frothing at the mouth board full of people who are going to go run shirtless in the street shouting "PP IS NOT FOR ME!" or "OWN MY ASS, OPRAH TRAITOR!!!!"

Exactly why I find it so annoying. People coming on saying "Get real people, it's dead!!!" repeatedly just strikes me as kinda... sad or something. It's one thing to bemoan the fact that you feel it's gone, but even the people here who have said they hold out hope, I've seen next to nobody saying "GUYS they are definitely coming back!" etc.

In my experience, Vee, you are the who struggles the most here to accept the fact people don't always agree with you. You constantly order others to STFU and demand they accept your pov as the only valid one. Unless you're a mod, I don't understand where you get off ordering Jonny or anyone to post somewhere else.

And for the record, ITA with you on JP. She's horrendous and soaps need to stop recycling lousy talent.

I know Vee divides people here because of the style of his posts... But, I think he's always fair when someone expresses their opinion, no matter how much he disagrees with it, being clear that it IS their opinion not fact and they back it up with reasoning as to what they didn't like or don't believe.

Eric, that old phrase is a well-known expression, not a personal order by me. Welcome to Earth.

Given it's a closing time at the bar reference, I thought it was a not too mean spirited note that Johnny's manic insistance that everyone else were fools (something he did over and over) made him seem... drunk (add his weird defence of JP to that.)

I decided to graph the OWN ratings. (Don't judge me. It was during a two-hour conference call.) Forgive me for the remedial nature of this. Excel and spreadsheets aren't my strong suit.

In the interest of comparing apples to apples, I left off the dates before 8/5 when OWN was showing multiple eps on the same day.

Interesting--they seem to both rise and fall at the same time (albeit with OLTL lower) though right at the end they seem to be evening out.

I'm a bit worried about even saying this but... While I think overall AMC was the stronger show--and I think it still has more name recognition, AND I know Oprah has a very wide ranging fanbase--could the fact that AMC focused so much on a beloved black couple (Linda--please don't come back) play a part?