insider explains PP v. ABC situation

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Jewell ‏@JewellKay40m

Please tell me Frons won't be working for AMC, Rumors are flying right now. @realcadymcclain

Cady McClain ‏@realcadymcclain35m

@JewellKay total rumor as far as I know. The show is going to be great and I hope you give it every chance to win you over!

No they don't. The breach of contract itself is enough for PP to receive damages. If every person who ever sued someone for breaking a contract had to prove they were hurt by it to receive any damages that would be absurd. It may effect the amount, but don't think that the breach itself doesn't matter or won't grant them some damages because that's incorrect.

No actually they do. I'm a law student and while I certainly don't know the ins and outs of everything, I do know that literally the first thing they teach in law school is that the elements of a contract claim are (1) existence of a valid contract; (2) breach and (3) damages directly resulting from the breach. Its true that in certain egregious cases you can get punitive damages for more than the actual harm but PP will absolutely have to prove that they suffered actual damages. If they were not harmed by ABCs breach monetarily, they have no case.

The person who breaches always pays it may not be fully what PP is looking for but they always cough up money

Edited April 19, 201312 yr by John

The part that doesn't read like an angry fangirl post, that does interest me, is when they claim they were told the OLTL characters' (specifically Todd's) roles would be limited, and then they were made frontburner story players. Right to the end, FV and RC were trying to lash Starr, Todd and John to the mast of the show. Starr bought the Haunted Star, John was in line to be Rafe's guardian. Todd had Manning Enterprises. That seemed to me like a brazen move.

It doesn't excuse them only getting on the ball with that now after the negotiations fell apart - and I don't believe GH is not culpable in that collapse - but it is a potential valid complaint.

Yep, and this actually holds water. And FV/RC's arrogance is on full display again. And add to that ABC gave the URLs back tells me ABC KNOWS it is in deep [!@#$%^&*] on some points. The question is, how important are the points PP has favor with, and how much will it hurt ABC?

Part of the issue, if I were to hazard a guess, is the promise of sharing and having some synergy between nuOLTL and GH. But that meant the OLTL characters. And once RC/FV decided to give the OLTL 3 new character identities, goodbye synergy.

And *if* this is part of it, I don't blame PP. ABC basically reneged. Yes, you can't force the actors to go to PP, but if a binding agreement for the above was in play, the actors should have been [!@#$%^&*] outta luck altogether and BOTH GH/PP would be without them.

In other words, honor the framework as discussed or don't have the actors at all.

Unfair to them? Maybe. But acting is a transient profession even without a situation like this. The three should not have added back to GH in such a case but found roles elsewhere.

PP has managed to get free advertising for their soaps one week before the premiere.

Google them though, this disaster is all that comes up.

That whole there is no such thing as bad press isnt true. I highly doubt the masses who never watched either show are going to read about this and suddenly tune into the web soaps. This is however dividing the audience they need to be seeking, the soap fans.

Bottom line AMC & OLTL fans will check the soaps out. If intriqued they will stay. ABC & PP will hash this out. I dont see this lawsuit having a negative effect on the soaps.

That whole there is no such thing as bad press isnt true. I highly doubt the masses who never watched either show are going to read about this and suddenly tune into the web soaps. This is however dividing the audience they need to be seeking, the soap fans.

Those masses won't know, and most soap fans won't know or care.

Bottom line AMC & OLTL fans will check the soaps out. If intriqued they will stay. ABC & PP will hash this out. I dont see this lawsuit having a negative effect on the soaps.

I dont think that first part is totally true. A lot of fans have seemed to move on. Some fans seem reluctant or all out against it. I dont think the lawsuit is going to necessarily turn anyone off that was already intending to watch, but I do think that it further draws a line and further forces people to pick a side, and thats not good - for either party involved. I really dont see it as a good thing at all though, as in I dont think the free press of this is going to gain them anything.

Those masses won't know, and most soap fans won't know or care.

Do the masses really factor in for online soap fans though? In the past, the masses were thought of as offliners, but now that they are web shows, what is the masses?

While I have no doubt PP is doing this now because of what's recently happened--I do think there's a question of audience loyalty. There were a lot of OLTL fans who, despite most on this board , followed the characters to GH to see them. I don't think bringing back from the dead, and acting like nothing happened with these characters for the new OLTL--oh and recasting several, is really the best thing to do for the audience (though I don't think this lawsuit is really about that.)

Really? Ratings didnt reflect it, at all.

Here's another question: do you believe that another regime at GH might have honored better the terms of the arrangement between ABC and PP (provided, those terms have, in fact, been breached), or do you believe they would have behaved the same as Frank and Ron?

I dont think another team would have brought any of the OLTLers on, let alone to the extent FR did.

But I also dont see FR/GH/ABC bringing on TK, KDP, Flo, etc... without going through PP. Nor do I think they didnt tell them they were killing cole and hope off (in a easy bring them back way). and the claims that they killed Tomas/revealed him to be Alkie is laughable to anyone who suffered through that awful story, they alluded to - at best - his maybe being alkie, or another brother.

Plus that was the most BIZARRE LEGAL DOCUMENTS I HAVE EVER READ!!! And I am a law student!!! If I was a judge I would be like should I throw this crap out?

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Documents/ESQ/PROSPECT_ABC_Complaint_WM.pdf

this is... sad. and amusing.

did a angry fanboy write this? seriously.

say what you will about if they have merit or not, they are doing this because they didnt get RH/ME/KA to do their show and ABC didnt give them creative control over the characters on when they could appear on GH and hold them hostage due to scheduling. Thats it. Where FR/GH/ABC screwed up is bringing them all back on the same day. It is just a bitch move, and they knew it - they did it to be spiteful just as PP both sides have been in this disaster.

I dont think that first part is totally true. A lot of fans have seemed to move on. Some fans seem reluctant or all out against it. I dont think the lawsuit is going to necessarily turn anyone off that was already intending to watch, but I do think that it further draws a line and further forces people to pick a side, and thats not good - for either party involved. I really dont see it as a good thing at all though, as in I dont think the free press of this is going to gain them anything.

Do the masses really factor in for online soap fans though? In the past, the masses were thought of as offliners, but now that they are web shows, what is the masses?

Really? Ratings didnt reflect it, at all.

then those fans never really fought and gave up too easily... you REALLY underestimate soap fans... but why are you griping your show got saved

this is... sad. and amusing.

did a angry fanboy write this? seriously.

say what you will about if they have merit or not, they are doing this because they didnt get RH/ME/KA to do their show and ABC didnt give them creative control over the characters on when they could appear on GH and hold them hostage due to scheduling. Thats it. Where FR/GH/ABC screwed up is bringing them all back on the same day. It is just a bitch move, and they knew it - they did it to be spiteful just as PP both sides have been in this disaster.

sorry but you signature gave you away... you are on ABC/GH's side... well it's only natural your soap was saved on the blood of AMC and OLTL

Really? Ratings didnt reflect it, at all.

No but ratings wouldn't reflect if anyone cared about these OLTL actors in new roles on GH either (which is the argument those in favour of it always give. I'm talking more about fan goodwill rather than enough to raise ratings.

No but ratings wouldn't reflect if anyone cared about these OLTL actors in new roles on GH either (which is the argument those in favour of it always give. I'm talking more about fan goodwill rather than enough to raise ratings.

not many GH fans are happy they are coming back...

then those fans never really fought and gave up too easily... you REALLY underestimate soap fans... but why are you griping your show got saved

sorry but you signature gave you away... you are on ABC/GH's side... well it's only natural your soap was saved on the blood of AMC and OLTL

I don't agree with JP that much--or disagree but I think he's actually a fairly equal soap fan (albeit, I assume, with the biggest connection to DAYS)--I get the impression he has watched all of them depending on specific stories or actors, so I wouldn't say he's on ABC's side

not many GH fans are happy they are coming back...

I would wager more don't care than do, but there have been some very vocal ones on FB and the like (OK, so the crazy soap fans) who have gone on about how much GH fans want these actors in any role they can get them lol I know there were many who liked Todd and Carly, but really would bringing on RH as a different (yet probably similar) character be the same? I dunno