This is what that mess would be like today:

Steve Burton in as nuMalcolm, CKLily's real father. Im sure she'd be happy about that.

Edited September 25, 201213 yr by Cheap21

Do you have pics/clips of the two Keeshas?

Keesha #1 (Wanda Acuna)

Keesha #2 (Jennifer Gatti)

They'd be hauling me off with you!

It boggles my mind how this genre managed to incinerate the love I had for it. I watched soaps for more than 30 years. My first soap was Search for Tomorrow. I was home with the chickenpox and ended up watching an episode during what I now realize was sweeps week. My second soap was AMC because it came on after SFT went off. One of my favorite memories was a block party on my street where a bunch of our neighbors were over. My dad and a lot of the other men, most of whom were autoworkers, were sitting in the backyard, drinking beer and talking about VICTOR NEWMAN. My parents used to talk about Y&R at the dinner table.

But now there's just nothing left for me to give a damn about. My viewership wasn't good enough for them a few years ago but now that there's only four left suddenly the SOS crowd want me (and Oprah) to help keep these shows alive. Well to them I say, kiss my shapely black ass.

What wa she smoking? I can see hriing the latina chick cuz she did kind of look black but replacing her with an Italian?

LONG story.

Must SBu make it into every convo about Y&R? JFP hasn't even uttered hi name yet every two minutes he's coming to Y&R.

Wanda was prettier too

Thanks. But Keesha was still black though right? Its not like on OLTL where they completely denied Blair's race and from then on she and all her children were portrayed as if she was 100% white

They never acknowledged her race and yet again people were quick to defend the recasting decision saying that Keesha was an "exotic" character and the actress' actual race made little bearing. To give you some background, Wanda Acuna was the first Keesha, and Jennifer Gatti (aka the first Dinah on GL!) was the second.

*My bad, didn't see the subsequent posts, didn't mean to repeat.

With a name like Keesha I expect the character to be black.

There's white girls named Keesha

High on the Romper Room scale has to be OLTL's placement of Evangeline with scruffy John McBain and his shadow in distress Natalie. That was like 30 something professional visiting the playground to cat fight with a high school girl over ath 40 something dirty looking detective. Even if some didn't like the character Evangeline or REG, the whole thing should have seemed unbelievably ridiculous and an insult to anyone with a functioning brain.

Oh, where do I begin with that brand of fuckery...

Not only is there no way in hell that Vangie would've lost to Natalie if she were white, OLTL would've had zero problem in promoting the sh!t out of her as a lead heroine as they did with Blair/Messica/Natalie/Kelly/Marty. The fact that this accomplished woman was forced to verbally scrap with and play second fiddle to that gutter trash over a man that wasn't worthy of her was what drove me away from that show for a while.

'Got it but I am talking about the nonsensical writing. If we were talking about real people and this sort of thing happened then you get what you put out. But I am talking about terrible writing here. Now I am no RJ fan but the writing for him in the Kerry/Antomio relationship was most ridiculous when they had him at the college supposedly being inconspicuous when I couldn't see anything inconspicuous about him. And they could have written that whole end to his relationship with Evangeline a whole lot differently instead of being heavy handed with the super bad RJ versus protector McBain.

This is just another example of ABC's b/w interracial relationships where the black woman has to lose to the white woman to restore order to the universe but take it down a notch to Romper Room level and let her lose to a child. They made a statement about RJ being no good and there was no Hank left for balance. Kerry became a psycho for the cause and Evangeline was reduced to shrivel.

No matter how much I might dislike a character or love another or dislike the writing, I am never going to support writing a woman in such a humiliating way for the sake of whatever payback I might think said character has coming because she had the misfortune of being saddled with stupid writing. Her versus Blair made a whole lot more sense in terms of writing for grown up women.

OLTL sure was consistent when it came to throwing their Black/non-Anglo Latino characters under the bus to prop their white ones - the aforementioned Vangie, RJ, Keri, and Antonio (not to mention Adriana and Cristian) being proof of this.

Oh, where do I begin with that brand of fuckery...

Not only is there no way in hell that Vangie would've lost to Natalie if she were white, OLTL would've had zero problem in promoting the sh!t out of her as a lead heroine as they did with Blair/Messica/Natalie/Kelly/Marty. The fact that this accomplished woman was forced to verbally scrap with and play second fiddle to that gutter trash over a man that wasn't worthy of her was what drove me away from that show for a while.

She would have lost to her regardless of if she was white bc the show was intent on pushing Natalie with John. Marty was an accomlished educated professional who had overcome alot in her life, yet she too ended up losing to Natalie and got a far worse deal, with ending up turning into a psycho and shamefully dismissed bc John dropped her for Natalie and she wasnt black

I would say Angie/Jesse got treated a lot better than a lot of black characters on soaps have gotten treated. And I think that a lot of that had to due with the fact that the writers actually loved/liked their characters. I honestly believe B&E did care about the Hubbards and that's why they gave them favorable writing. (One of the very few things B&E did right IMO.) The other writers that came after B&E may not have cared for the Hubbards quite as much but I think in general that they liked them. The stories that were given to them weren't always good, but I do get the sense that the writers in general liked them. And I did like a lot of the family scenes that we got of them. I also agree that the writing for them could have been a lot worse. Especially when you see what other black characters on soaps get. I wish that the character of Frankie would have gotten treated a lot of better. I really enjoyed Cornelius's version of Frankie and I think that the writers could have done so much more with him than they did. He was a young handsome,smart, strong,character who had a lot of potential. He was the type of character that could have enriched the show, but the writers didn't really do much with him. They tried to write a little for him, here and there, but it wasn't enough.

Perhaps, I'm biased over my love for the Debbi Morgan/Darnell Williams powerhouse, but I honestly believe that they were a major reason why Angie/Jesse's last years were (relatively) decent because of their being able to rise above the mediocre material.

I only wish that I could say the same about Cornelius Smith, Jr., as his natural talent wasn't enough to overcome the half-assed attention that they did pay his character. The same can be said for Shannon Kane, whose character was largely wasted on AMC.

Perhaps, I'm biased over my love for the Debbi Morgan/Darnell Williams powerhouse, but I honestly believe that they were a major reason why Angie/Jesse's last years were (relatively) decent because of their being able to rise above the mediocre material.

I only wish that I could say the same about Cornelius Smith, Jr., as his natural talent wasn't enough to overcome the half-assed attention that they did pay his character. The same can be said for Shannon Kane, whose character was largely wasted on AMC.

Shannon Kane was only on for a handful of episodes in AMC's last year and in that year they did more with Natalia than they did with Frankie. It was a shame

Evangeline was wrong for cheating on RJ but when did she ever act like she was "coming up" being with John? She was an ivy league educated lawyer who could have done better than both the town criminal and the washbeat cop. You will get no arguments from me that the writing to villify RJ to prop Mcbain was stupid but even worse was the tokenism involved in the triangle with Natalie. On what planet would any woman, least of all an ivy league black one put up with John's bullshit over a barmaid who thought she was the Llanview brawler. The way the wrote Evangeline when Natalie kept showing her nothing but barely concealed contempt as she continued to take the high road to perpetuate that insipid triangle was insane. I needed vodka shots everytime they had that woman (with absolutely everything going for her) feel insecure over that twit because she couldn't get her man to say he loved her. That story had Evangeline "knowing he place" written all over it.

What you said, though I'll add the fact that none of the males that they paired/teased her with was deserving of her time. Not a single one.