Members ellabelle Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I tend to agree with this, although I'll make an exception for those rare situations in which both of the characters are clear that it was consensual but some of the audience disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Chamberlain Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 Wow. Poor Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 Or she. Im sick of women raping men and getting away with it just bc they are women. Except the shows dnot go through the troubles of redeeming them bc its generally accepted when a woman sleeps with a man without his consent. Its rarely ever called out for what it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I'm trying to think where that happened. I can't remember; can you help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 Oh, absolutely. It's still non-consensual sex, therefore rape. ETA: I hated that story on GH where Jax was raped and Carly and Jason made fun of him. It was obvious the writing agreed with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I disagree, I don't think it impossible for a rapist to be redeemed as long as the show went threw an extensive process of show that he has changed. If the show can have murderers, arsonists, blackmailers, torturers, framers, baby killers, kidnappers, physical abusers, hitmen, drug lord king pins, gaslighters, corrupt law officials, sex trafficers, pimps, etc. all hanging around town doing horrible deplorable things on a daily basis I don't see why a person who genuinely feels bad about their actions couldn't eventually find redemption in a sea of people who are amoral, immoral and remorseless over their actions and worse continue to do horrible things to other people. I don't particularly mind the redeemed rapist story if done right -- Jack from Days for instance was something I thought was well done. While RH's Todd was down right deplorable in nature after watching Marty get gang raped by three men. Sami raped Austin and no one cared. Jax was also raped by Ariena or whatever and Carly blamed him for it. Todd was raped by Margret and it was played as "karma! ha ha Todd!", etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 You didnt answer his/her question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Darn Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 Can you name a case like this? I hope you're not thinking of Ford and Jessica's retcon romance... I too hate the redeemed rapist. Sometimes these show forget that their primary audience is female and that society has actually progressed. Being a rapist isn't hot, nor does it make you a woobie that just needs to be rescued by the right woman. Well, personally I don't like to see any of those people you mentioned presented as anything but villains or seriously mentally ill. BTW blackmailing doesn't exactly fit on that list...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 The Johnny/Kate situation could qualify, as could the Sami/EJ one -- the consent was dubious on both levels one could argue. I also think Antonio/Jessica, Nash/Tess and Ford/Jessica could have been seen in the same or similar light. I thought the quote came from instances of male rape not being seen as rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Skin Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I think it's hard to argue morality in soaps because eventually everyone is selfish, has an agenda or is in some ways flawed or evil and ends up committing felony level crimes. It all comes down at the end of the day to if you "like" the character enough to forgive them for it or excuse them for their actions. When you look at it objectively soaps are filled with character who commit moral wrongs every day like breathing, with little to no remorse for it. Especially shows like GH, Y&R and Days where douchery for a lack of a better term is upheld as a system of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 No. I'm very clear. Male rape is rape. I don't make a distinction. Those examples are all ambiguous. If the victim is unable to give consent, it's rape. Ric raped Elizabeth on GH. She was drugged, and therefore not able to consent to sex. That makes it nonconsensual and that means it's rape. ETA: I don't buy the justification that everyone is a criminal therefore rapists can be redeemed. I'm not talking about other criminal acts, I'm talking specifically about rape. The most offensive part of the redeemed rapist stories is when the rapist and his/her victim become involved sexually after the rape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ellabelle Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I was referring to David and Erica having libidizone-fueled sex on AMC. David spiked a drink for Tad with the drug, which was supposed to reduce inhibitions. Erica took it instead and (in her words) "pulled a Michelle Pfeiffer on the piano and came onto everything in pants" before David carried out of the Valley Inn dining room. They had sex in his hotel room, with her as the aggressor, literally ripping at his clothes, and yet there were some anti-David fans who insisted that it was rape because Erica was on drugs and commented afterward that she didn't know what had come over her and she felt drugged. Erica clearly remembered having sex and being an active participant in it, and she even later came to David's defense when he was arrested and even Dixie wouldn't stand up for him. But some of AMC's fans never forgave him for that. It wasn't ethical, but to me it wasn't any different than a man having sex with a woman who has been drinking and is coming on to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jcar03 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 I was going to say this one too! Just about every pregnancy I see on soaps lately the woman has found out by passing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ellabelle Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 ~cough~ Luke and Laura ~cough~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SweetPea36 Posted May 7, 2012 Members Share Posted May 7, 2012 It isn't any different. That's why people have been convicted of having sex with impaired partners, which means they are non-consenting. How is David and Erica different from spiking someone's drink with roofies and having sex with him/her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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