I get that, I just wish that this wasn't always in some sheen of critical acclaim or that the people involved saw it as trash. I'm not sure if they do. When Ron was at OLTL he was continually shocked that viewers did not see his work the way they were supposed to, especially his rape-is-love storylines.

I don't know if Ron was as fervent with defending the Frodd/Marty rapemance, but I definitely consider his Twitter defense of The Rapist Robert Ford/Messica to be indefensible. That said, I don't think that Ron should be vilified for embracing camp (especially when other soaps - save for B&B - run far away from it) at all. IMO, the camp and the winks to the viewers is one of the main things that made OLTL entertaining to me and is why I prefer what I saw of his GH regime thus far.

Lord knows too many soaps are stuck up their own ass - especially when they don't deserve to be.

This show is not so bad it's good and obviously it shouldnt be campy since the ratings continue to drop.

Natalie and John are married? WTF?!?

OMG, they are actually going to pursue Starr's music career on this show

UGH! They have her singing over the final montage. Can we get 9 year old Stephen Clay Experience music back?

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REALLY? Out of all the characters from OLTL Johnny knew Rick Powers? WTF?

REALLY? Out of all the characters from OLTL Johnny knew Rick Powers? WTF?

Johnny looks like the kind of person that watches porn. I mean he does own a strip club

Listening to Starr sing makes me wanna blow my gray matter all over the room.

But, Damn. Sam made me sad today. I'm pissed at Jason. Should we really care about his feelings. Over the feelings of his wife. Who just found out she was carrying the child of a sick freak rapist. Sam actually loves Jason. And, IMO. This would be so different if Sam had an affair and got pregnant. But, she didn't. She was RAPED! Why can't Jason just love that child like it was his own anyways? Oh right. Because, he's a stone cold !@#$%^&*].

Edited April 19, 201213 yr by weareclouds

Johnny looks like the kind of person that watches porn. I mean he does own a strip club

I sometimes wonder if those guys would be least likely to watch porn, since they see it all the time.

I wonder if this is just an excuse to drag Austin Peck onto this show for more 'comedy.' Maybe he will force Kristina and Michael to have sex.

Listening to Starr sing makes me wanna blow my gray matter all over the room.

But, Damn. Sam made me sad today. I'm pissed at Jason. Should we really care about his feelings. Over the feelings of his wife. Who just found out she was carrying the child of a sick freak rapist. Sam actually loves Jason. And, IMO. This would be so different if Sam had an affair and got pregnant. But, she didn't. She was RAPED! Why can't Jason just love that child like it was his own anyways? Oh right. Because, he's a stone cold !@#$%^&*].

I kinda agree. I dont think Sam keeping this from Jason until she was 100% was sure. She was wrong about opening up to John. To me she was only thinking about Jason and trying to spare him pain. It doesnt matter that it took her a couple of days to tell him bc like you said she was the one that was RAPED, not him. What she has been through the past couple of days tormented over this is secondary to him. She was in limbo not really knowing if Franco did anything to her but she just got confirmation that she was in fact rape so I think her feelings should take precedence over him. I was about to be angry when she asked him to hug her and he stood there as if he wasnt goint to do it. It pissed me off that he had to think about it

I sometimes wonder if those guys would be least likely to watch porn, since they see it all the time.

I wonder if this is just an excuse to drag Austin Peck onto this show for more 'comedy.' Maybe he will force Kristina and Michael to have sex.

The mentioning of Rick today was a way to not get AP on the show

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It just makes me want to jump into the TV set and give Jason forty lashes.

With all his body fat, he'd barely feel it.

I want Cartini to make up his mind about how we are supposed to view Jasam. It's sad that Cartoon Connie is the best thing about the show.

Favortism at its worst. GH had wonderful real singers over the years just became embarassing.

I wonder if this is just an excuse to drag Austin Peck onto this show for more 'comedy.' Maybe he will force Kristina and Michael to have sex.

It'll make the prison rape seem tame by comparison.

Prison rape is soapy goodness. Don't Drop the Soap, hee hee ha ha.

Oh some people don't realize how bad the acting is. I'd say I'm pretty critical of acting and even notice it in some of the older beloved characters like Caroline on Days( watching her have that heart attack or whatever that was was painful)

But RC and FV promote bad acting, writing, production, etc because afterall they are only writing to please themselves.

IA, the material that Carlivati and Valentini produce encourages bad, OTT, and lazy acting. Even good actors like Haskell, VerDorn, and Slezak weren't immune from falling into the trap. It's a little less obvious on GH IMO because the most frequently featured cast members were already pretty bad, OTT, or lazy before they showed up.

Hall is an ingenue at best--I said I liked her in a small role in Chorus Line--but you're right it is pretty much the same thing. I haven't actually seen Sullivan on stage but she has a rep as being a good comedic and dramatic (not musical theatre) rep from reviews, etc. At any rate I agree with you--she needs to be toned completely down, and with FV now in charge and even directing if anything they'll be telling her to play it up (which really is the director's responsibility as much as hers IMHO). Some kinds of theatrical acting work in daytime, but not broader and hammy.

I liked Sullivan as Inga in Young Frankenstein the musical. She had a good voice and played the broad comedy well, although I never saw her highly acclaimed predecessor Sutton Foster so I can't compare them. Maybe theatre is just KS's niche or maybe she needs more training and experience in front of a camera but she is way too OTT at the moment.

I am shocked people are so hard on Kelly Sullivan. The mirror scene was cool I thought. Was it realistic? I have no idea, I don't have DID, but it isn't about realism it is about melodrama and the telling of a story visually. I don't know who has been conditioned to not recognize good acting or not, but I see it as the GH audience has been conditioned to accept no acting and see that as "realism". Kelly Monaco, Nancy Lee Grahn, Jason Thompson...so many on GH just recite their lines with all the drama one recites a grocery list. If Sullivan is overacting I think that is still far better than underacting.

I can't be too hard on Sullivan because I know that what she's doing right now is exactly what Carlivati and Valentini want from her, which is exactly the same stuff they wanted from Bree Williamson.

A lot of people love her. If I had not spent OLTL's last years doing nothing but seeing haha time mentally ill people, I might have more of a reaction.

This is also why, when people say that soaps should be more like reality TV, I think that they knock off reality TV in the worst ways. Reality shows are often about guffawing on cue at mentally ill people. American Idol even went so far as to beg viewers to laugh at people with physical handicaps, year after year after year. So now RC/FV have made an artform out of chuckling at the crazy. A gang rape victim is hilarious - let's watch her murder her therapist and do bird wings. A woman is almost raped by her father - she's 16 again, it's hot and funny. A woman is raped while believing she is 16 - that's just hot stuff, which man is she going to nail next?

And so on and so on. This is all RC knows how to write.

I think I might be able to enjoy the shameless awfulness of this if these guys didn't have such a long history of writing such blatantly offensive situations involving women, the mentally ill, and rape victims. God forbid a character happens to be all three.

If the show was treated as cheap trash, then I would get that, but it is often praised as the height of brilliance, phenomenal writing and acting, with people saying RC/FV need to "save" every soap, and give Emmys, and all the rest.

I can't take anyone who would say such things about these talentless hacks seriously. Those two destroyed OLTL. Their insulting garbage forced me to quit a show I'd been devoted to for over twenty years and I still resent the hell out of them for that, especially since they turned the finale of 40+ year old show into nothing but a testament to their idiotic bs.

I don't know if Ron was as fervent with defending the Frodd/Marty rapemance, but I definitely consider his Twitter defense of The Rapist Robert Ford/Messica to be indefensible. That said, I don't think that Ron should be vilified for embracing camp (especially when other soaps - save for B&B - run far away from it) at all. IMO, the camp and the winks to the viewers is one of the main things that made OLTL entertaining to me and is why I prefer what I saw of his GH regime thus far.

Lord knows too many soaps are stuck up their own ass - especially when they don't deserve to be.

I don't dislike camp when done well but there need to be certain boundaries. For example, rape and mental illness are not funny. Don't twist things to try and make them that.

Listening to Starr sing makes me wanna blow my gray matter all over the room.

Yeah, that was bad on an epic scale. I think my ears are still bleeding.

But, Damn. Sam made me sad today. I'm pissed at Jason. Should we really care about his feelings. Over the feelings of his wife. Who just found out she was carrying the child of a sick freak rapist. Sam actually loves Jason. And, IMO. This would be so different if Sam had an affair and got pregnant. But, she didn't. She was RAPED! Why can't Jason just love that child like it was his own anyways? Oh right. Because, he's a stone cold !@#$%^&*].

It was so pathetic and deeply sad. The promo they aired after the episode pissed me off even more. The brother and paternity reveals are cut together to make it seem like Sam slept with her husband's brother & got pregnant by him, lied about the whole thing, and is getting busted. That's the impression that someone who hasn't seen the whole story would get seeing that ad, not that she was RAPED by a psycho who she's devastated to learn fathered her "miracle child" and it turns out he just happens to be her husband's long lost brother.

I kinda agree. I dont think Sam keeping this from Jason until she was 100% was sure. She was wrong about opening up to John. To me she was only thinking about Jason and trying to spare him pain. It doesnt matter that it took her a couple of days to tell him bc like you said she was the one that was RAPED, not him. What she has been through the past couple of days tormented over this is secondary to him. She was in limbo not really knowing if Franco did anything to her but she just got confirmation that she was in fact rape so I think her feelings should take precedence over him. I was about to be angry when she asked him to hug her and he stood there as if he wasnt goint to do it. It pissed me off that he had to think about it

The mentioning of Rick today was a way to not get AP on the show

To me Jason has no right to judge or be angry about Sam's timing, she is the rape victim here and clearly needed time to process everything and prepare herself to tell him at all. Sorry, Saint Jasus, but you ain't the most important person in this and I'm sick and tired of Sam and everyone walking on eggshells around him.

How I wish this show had the balls to have his brain-damage truly repaired and bring him to a place where he has the decency to be appalled at and ashamed of what he's done as a partner in crime to Sonny and Carly, especially in terms of AJ. Of course, that would require a recast with an actor capable of portraying some manner of human emotion.

I wonder if this Franco is Jason's twin story is supposed to convince us that since Franco was nuts and he and Jason were twins, albeit fraternal, that St. Jasus, the emotionless hitman, is who Jason was always supposed to be and that the decent pre-brain injury Jason was somehow not who he really was.

Edited April 19, 201213 yr by RoseVioletDaisy