I'll go first:

B&B

- While not perfect, the show is currently in the best shape it's been in since 2003.

Y&R

- Genie Francis is terrific as Genevieve Atkinson. I know she wasn't well liked in her first few months on her show, but I'm currently watching June 2011 episodes and I LOVE her campy take on the character, despite the overall wretchedness of the storyline. Although I never saw Francis on GH, so I don't have that to compare it to. I'd love to see her on B&B in a Sally Spectra/Jackie Marone type role.

- Phyllis is one of very few characters to actually flourish under MAB (save for the Lucy custody madness). And of course, I still consider La Stafford to be the best actress in daytime.

- Maura West was AT LEAST as miscast as Diane as Shari Shattuck was as Ashley.

When they blame Ron for things he has had no control over (i.e. the pathetic state GH is in now) it becomes annoying because it's blatantly disregarding all of the things that came before it. You are upset that GH hasn't been exciting, well what is there to be excited about? GH has four characters on it because Guza hacked away all the cast. You are upset that OLTL crossover characters are being thrusted upon GH? Blame the fact that none of these new characters created under Guza and Wolfe are interesting enough to hold a story. You are upset about new storylines not being created? Blame that on the fact that GH has been overly mob-centric since Guza took over to the point where there are no other stories to tell because Guza destroyed any outside potential outside of his trifecta (Sonny, Carly and Jason), etc. So on and so forth. Blaming Ron without taking in the context of what he has to work with is ridiculous. Especially looking at the crap sorry sack GH is and has been over the past few years. Ron isn't in vacuum, his circumstances are very much compounded by the immense problems prior to his take over of GH.

Who the heck has blamed Carlivati other than he's not an improvement.

What new storyline?

1. Franco. Explain to me how continuing a story started under bob Guza is fresh original interesting and something the audience was embracing from the start

2. Who killed Lisa ? Who cares

3. Kates DiD story

What other main stories are there? Oh Carly and Johnny which was started under the prior writing regime. Or Starrs kid and the love of her life killed for laughs

All those were choices by the current writer. I don't have to like these choices just because poor Ron inherited a mess. I watched some of his OLTL. Better show and I didn't like his writing and cheap cliches there either.

Here's a really, really, diabolically unpopular opinion that may just get me chased off these boards:

I don't think MAB is a bad writer. the Y&R of today is certainly different than "classic" Y&R but I still think it's the best soap on TV.

That's very unpopular I dont think MAB even writes for this show for the most part. She's usually too busy with MOCA and being a socialite

When they blame Ron for things he has had no control over (i.e. the pathetic state GH is in now) it becomes annoying because it's blatantly disregarding all of the things that came before it. You are upset that GH hasn't been exciting, well what is there to be excited about? GH has four characters on it because Guza hacked away all the cast. You are upset that OLTL crossover characters are being thrusted upon GH? Blame the fact that none of these new characters created under Guza and Wolfe are interesting enough to hold a story. You are upset about new storylines not being created? Blame that on the fact that GH has been overly mob-centric since Guza took over to the point where there are no other stories to tell because Guza destroyed any outside potential outside of his trifecta (Sonny, Carly and Jason), etc. So on and so forth. Blaming Ron without taking in the context of what he has to work with is ridiculous. Especially looking at the crap sorry sack GH is and has been over the past few years. Ron isn't in vacuum, his circumstances are very much compounded by the immense problems prior to his take over of GH.

And what did Ron do? Pile chit on top of chit. Wolf put distance between CarSaSon and put other characters onscreen. Check the eppy counts for the end of 2011. Guza physically removed Carly from the mob, and Wolf emotionally took her away from it. Cartini has chosen to wipe out Carly's past to fit their current plot. I read that Johnny, her baby mob lover, had to re-assure her about the mob dangers, something Wolf's Carly was clear of. Sonny is a complete idiot, and JaSam, who have not had a peaceful moment since September, are being trashed to give McBain a purpose. Cartini are cruising until their golden boy, Todd, is on board. The first story Cartini chose to tell is all mob related? Why not have Kate/Connie address mental illness w/out all of the hysterics? There were so many places Cartini could have taken these characters AFTER Wolf developed them, but the hacks chose to pull out the dreadful past and plot it until May. Ridiculous! How long can you blame a past regime for the current state of a show? That's crazy!

ANDREA

What new storyline?

You are making my point for me, he inherited all of these stories. Kate's DID, Lisa's murder, Sam's WTD story and Robin's death were all in motion before he put paper to pen.

What other main stories are there?

You are making my point again, there are no other stories because GH has been stripped of characters who provided past history and context for the show and has received an increase of meaningless characters nobody likes and aren't worth a damn, hence the need to hold onto other stories and flood the show with other characters in an attempt to make a show that can fill 40+ minutes. Why does he have to do this? Because Wolfe and Guza screwed up hugely by killing off characters that GH needed.

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by Skin

You are making my point for me, he inherited all of these stories. Kate's DID, Lisa's murder, Sam's WTD story and Robin's death were all in motion before he put paper to pen.

You are making my point again, there are no other stories because GH has been flooded of any characters who are worth a damn, hence the need to hold onto other stories, flood the show with other characters and attempt to make a show that can fill 40+ minutes, why? Because Wolfe and Guza screwed up hugely by killing off characters that GH needed.

Most of these stories were not in motion. The Franco story was allegedly wrapping up. Kate was not supposed to have DiD and the Lisa murder had been ignored for months. The smart thing would have been to wrap them up as planned or forget them and not try to Fix them because he's just made it worse. Days with their reboot wrapped up stories in a month. Regardless of how successful their reset was, if a story is not working there is a way to do it. He just chose not to and added his own twists to make it worse. Killing off Starrs kid and her great love was not something already in motion.

You are making my point for me, he inherited all of these stories. Kate's DID, Lisa's murder, Sam's WTD story and Robin's death were all in motion before he put paper to pen.

You are making my point again, there are no other stories because GH has been flooded of any characters who are worth a damn, hence the need to hold onto other stories, flood the show with other characters and attempt to make a show that can fill 40+ minutes, why? Because Wolfe and Guza screwed up hugely by killing off characters that GH needed.

Cartini didn't inherit any of those stories. Jason was the baby's father, and JaSam were happy for 5 seconds, there was not a hint of DID until Cartini came along and Lisa's murder was dead and buried. Cartini dug them up because they were too lazy to move the characters forward. This coupled with the fact that they are not concerned about GH characters as they don't find them useful.

As for the unrecognizable characters you mentioned before, I have no interest in discussing the dead. Really, I don't! Let's stick with the very much alive GH characters/zombies on ice until Cartini can begin fully writing for the OLTL reboot.

ANDREA

You are making my point for me, he inherited all of these stories. Kate's DID, Lisa's murder, Sam's WTD story and Robin's death were all in motion before he put paper to pen.

You are making my point again, there are no other stories because GH has been stripped of characters who provided past history and context for the show and has received an increase of meaningless characters nobody likes and aren't worth a damn, hence the need to hold onto other stories and flood the show with other characters in an attempt to make a show that can fill 40+ minutes. Why does he have to do this? Because Wolfe and Guza screwed up hugely by killing off characters that GH needed.

Oh just shut up!!! You can't even make your own point because you don't have one! If Rc was a good writer he'd be able to write damn stories! Stop blaming people who are no lnoger even their for his lack of writing skills!

And what did Ron do? Pile chit on top of chit. Wolf put distance between CarSaSon and put other characters onscreen. Check the eppy counts for the end of 2011. Guza physically removed Carly from the mob, and Wolf emotionally took her away from it. Cartini has chosen to wipe out Carly's past to fit their current plot. I read that Johnny, her baby mob lover, had to re-assure her about the mob dangers, something Wolf's Carly was clear of. Sonny is a complete idiot, and JaSam, who have not had a peaceful moment since September, are being trashed to give McBain a purpose. Cartini are cruising until their golden boy, Todd, is on board. The first story Cartini chose to tell is all mob related? Why not have Kate/Connie address mental illness w/out all of the hysterics? There were so many places Cartini could have taken these characters AFTER Wolf developed them, but the hacks chose to pull out the dreadful past and plot it until May. Ridiculous! How long can you blame a past regime for the current state of a show? That's crazy!

ANDREA

How was Carly emotionally distanced from the mob if she was boning one of Sonny's mob enemies from another mob family? That logic doesn't even make sense. Her entire relationship with Johnny was putting her in the mob word again if nothing else. Just like she was with Alcazar. It's the same story just with a different man. Again that happened prior to Ron coming in. Again Cartini is using the mob because that's all GH has and that is all GH is -- that is again something Guza and Wolfe enforced on the show for years. They chose to make the show mob heavy and it's much to the determent of the show. Now years later that is the only part of the show that can create worthwhile story, which is again placed on Guza's feet. I don't know what else you are talking about. Jasam is the same as it always has been, Sam is wrong and Jason is right in all things we had Elizabeth and Carly both clear that up for us and Sonny is the same character he always is. I don't think McBain is negatively impacting either of their characters and Todd isn't even on screen anymore.

Oh just shut up!!! You can't even make your own point because you don't have one! If Rc was a good writer he'd be able to write damn stories! Stop blaming people who are no lnoger even their for his lack of writing skills!

Grammar is your friend.

Edited April 16, 201213 yr by Skin

Basically. Why aren't people realizing this? The entire reason GH is in shambles right now is because Guza destroyed this show from the inside out for years and that is why the show is a complete disaster now. He destroyed everything GH held as a legacy during his years as head writer. Why don't people hate that? The only reason why GH is this bad off is because of mob central which was primarily due to his influence. I don't even care about Cartini or Wolfe's versions of GH, I have long since reconciled the fact that the soap died a while ago, but the indignation over Cartini is too much.

This show is a walking husk because of Guza and no one else can save it at this point because he irrevocably damaged the fabric of this show and all it was. It's unsalavageable because of him. Because he slaughtered everything that was sacred on this show. All Cartini is doing is running with what he has left which is working with the stick figure characters he inherited because GH has eliminated most of their legacy characters and the roots which held the shows inner core. He doesn't have much at all to work with, so who cares if he is making a joke out of the show? The show is a joke anyway.

People choose to ignore these facts because they'd rather sh*t on Cartini than recognize that GH's house was in shambles long before they arrived on the scene. Acknowledging that GH has been the walking dead since the dawn of this century would mean that they've cosigned this fuckery by tuning in day in and day out instead of keeping it moving when things hit rock bottom.

How was Carly emotionally distanced from the mob if she was boning one of Sonny's mob enemies from another mob family? That logic doesn't even make sense. Her entire relationship with Johnny was putting her in the mob word again if nothing else, and that happened prior to Ron coming in. Again Cartini is using the mob because that's all GH has and that is all GH is that is again something Guza and Wolfe enforced on the show for years. They chose to make the show mob heavy and it's much to the determent of the show. Now that is the only part of the show that can create worthwhile story, which is again placed on Guza's feet. I don't know what else you are talking about Jasam is the same as it always has been Sam is wrong and Jason is right in all things and Sonny is the same character he always is. I don't think McBain is negatively impacting either of their characters and Todd isn't even on screen anymore.

Uh, no! Cartini came in and made changes before they officially took over. It was supposed to be Lulu and Johnny in this story (not sure about romanctic), but Cartini changed it to Carly. Wolf moved Carly away from the mob emotionally to where she was not concerned about what SaSon was doing day to day. Take a peek at the second half of 2011 where she focused on her children, admitted her wrong doings and Shawn became her confidant. She hardly saw SaSon. It was Cartini! Those hacks came in and regurgitated trash that didn't work the first time around. Let's not get it twisted.

ANDREA

When they blame Ron for things he has had no control over (i.e. the pathetic state GH is in now) it becomes annoying because it's blatantly disregarding all of the things that came before it. You are upset that GH hasn't been exciting, well what is there to be excited about? GH has four characters on it because Guza hacked away all the cast. You are upset that OLTL crossover characters are being thrusted upon GH? Blame the fact that none of these new characters created under Guza and Wolfe are interesting enough to hold a story. You are upset about new storylines not being created? Blame that on the fact that GH has been overly mob-centric since Guza took over to the point where there are no other stories to tell because Guza destroyed any outside potential outside of his trifecta (Sonny, Carly and Jason), etc. So on and so forth. Blaming Ron without taking in the context of what he has to work with is ridiculous. Especially looking at the crap sorry sack GH is and has been over the past few years. Ron isn't in vacuum, his circumstances are very much compounded by the immense problems prior to his take over of GH.

And that's it in a nutshell.

People choose to ignore these facts because they'd rather sh*t on Cartini than recognize that GH's house was in shambles long before they arrived on the scene. Acknowledging that GH has been the walking dead since the dawn of this century would mean that they've cosigned this fuckery by tuning in day in and day out instead of keeping it moving when things hit rock bottom.

Basically.

People choose to ignore these facts because they'd rather sh*t on Cartini than recognize that GH's house was in shambles long before they arrived on the scene.

Most of the people here have been trashing GH for a long time. Hell, I've been trashing the show since Clinton was in office. I think the problem is when some fans and boards go on about it's a miracle, "Cartini" have saved GH, it's so incredible, those Cartini touches! and so on.

People choose to ignore these facts because they'd rather sh*t on Cartini than recognize that GH's house was in shambles long before they arrived on the scene. Acknowledging that GH has been the walking dead since the dawn of this century would mean that they've cosigned this fuckery by tuning in day in and day out instead of keeping it moving when things hit rock bottom.

Again show me the posts or accolades for GH prior to Ron joining because I'd love to see it. No offense but you keep making stmts that no one on this board has said or claimed about GH under Wolfe or Guza. It's like folks are not allowed to wish for better. No wonder these shows are all dead.

Guza did this a [!@#$%^&*] ton as well. Guza didn't give a damn about characters either. Look at what he did to Maxie, Ric, Lucky, Emily, Luke, Sam, Zander, AJ, and others. All of whom were sacrificed for the altars of Sonny, Jason, Elizabeth and Carly.

I'm no Liz fan, but I'd hardly put her in the same category of the Trifecta of Suck. Matter of fact, she's one of the biggest victims of Guza's shitastic writing, as he forced what was once a dynamic young character to be destroyed to prop up that roided goiter of a hitman.