Members Saving ATWT Posted December 7, 2011 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 Really great post! I agree that focus groups suck. Bill Bell was an artist and his point of view was what made ATWT, Days, Y&R and B&B great during his tenure. Same was true of Irma Phillips who pissed off the people at CBS as well as some fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted December 7, 2011 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 No one has tried a crime soap in 30 years. I also would not call these sort of shows 'enlightened', but, instead, just a means of taking the focus off hack romance. A format designed to avoid Nikki and Victor fall in love 60 times without either of them opting, instead, for suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members CSF Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 GL tried the crime soap thing when they introduced the mob. GH can consider themselves a crime soap and I'm sure they do. They are certainly not a medical centered melodrama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 For me there's a difference between a crime soap and mob stories, mostly because mob stories are always toothless on soaps, as they want the mobsters to be misunderstood angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Saving ATWT Posted December 7, 2011 Author Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 I don't mean that current soaps should flip to a crime format--it never works, feels staged and you still have Sonny with his flavor of the week and Carly in heat. A new, crime based soap might have made for a good Passions replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MichaelGL Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 What's a "mute point"? GL died because it was the oldest soap, yet it was the number one soap to ignore it's own history and not honor it. Hell, even what might have occured 10 or 7 years ago would have been trashed or retconed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Khan Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 Years? Try 10 or 7 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members quartermainefan Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 All My Children died when they had Palmer selling fried chicken. That was pretty much the death of AMC's classic era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members reallyhateskateonlost Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 When Disney bought ABC and they hired "that man', things went down hilll from there, actors, characters, writing, production value and finally cancellations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MichaelGL Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 This is true, sadly. Up until the final episode, Susan Lemay was Harley's daughter, not that Daisy character that plagued our screens for the last few years. One of the most idiotic retcons to happen on GL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members august1229 Posted December 7, 2011 Members Share Posted December 7, 2011 Because of the daytime hours, they started out on TV during the era of the housewife, whom they tried to direct - tell them what they like. They never got rid of that mentality or tried to change it when it obviously didn't work. Then recycling the failed writers and hiring their friends instead of on merit. Whoever would have produced and written good ones did not get the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ellabelle Posted December 8, 2011 Members Share Posted December 8, 2011 I have so many thoughts about what went wrong with AMC, but to me it comes down to bad writing. Beginning in 2006, the show fell apart in a really disastrous sort of way, and it never really recovered. I *might* have been able to get past Erica's unabortion and Madden-in-a-box if they'd written those storylines much better or at least followed them up with some decent storylines. But we just got year after year of crap: Erica/Carmen/Jack/Sam Woods, Erica in prison, endless Rylee crap, the Satin Slayer, the awful casting of Jeff Martin, Kendall and her boys constantly being seriously ill or in danger, the constant break up and back together of Jack and Erica without any growth in their relationship, Ryan and Erica together, Aidan turning evil, Annie going crazy, Adam shooting Stuart, the whole Zarf fiasco, the tornadoes, the endless dysfunction that was JR/Babe, Dixie and her poisoned pancakes, David bringing people back from the dead, Bianca having Zach's baby without telling Kendall, everyone and his brother practically living at Fusion/ConFusion... there just wasn't a whole lot of good in the show after 2005. There were some bright spots, but overall the show just collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Gray Bunny Posted December 9, 2011 Members Share Posted December 9, 2011 :::chuckle::: That reminds me of back when a young Sunset Beach fan was bashing the new soap Passions, and said all the actors were "hasbins" (as opposed to has-beens, which is also ironic in calling them that, considering they were never famous to begin with so how could they be a has-been?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ellabelle Posted December 10, 2011 Members Share Posted December 10, 2011 Snicker. I am reminded of an episode of 'Friends' in which Joey said something was "a moo point - you know, like a cow's opinion. It doesn't mean anything." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SFK Posted December 11, 2011 Members Share Posted December 11, 2011 LOL, this is mind bottling.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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