Yes he did and it was kinda good, esp[ecially with John involved although I couldve cared less if Denise and Ben got together lol

Was it Sheffer who wrote the Ben/Denise/Andy triangle? I thought that was pretty good.

That was just about over by the time he arrived. I mostly remember that for scenes like Ben yelling at God for not letting Andy stay dead - tacky and not really in character either. The biggest problem for me was that the actors had no chemistry (Ben, Denise, or Andy) and Denise did not suit the martyr role. I felt like it was the show trying to make up for her first year on the show, when a lot of fans loathed her for things like selling her baby, wanting the baby back from Holden and Lily, nonchalantly trying to break up Ben and Camille.

He may have written the end (when Kim and John commented on how he was doing what John had done, and Andy finally came clean and left town in a hurry), but not the rest.

Its interesting that he seemed to write a lot of stuff people liked. So aside from the fact his stories became repetitive, why did ATWT fire him - was it ratings?

I'm not sure that many people liked it. He worked on hype, and on his personality. The soap press ate that up. I remember SOD heaping praise on things like Julia raping Jack (I believe they were glad this was played for laughs), and I honestly don't think most of ATWT's fans enjoyed one of the leading men being sexually assaulted, especially since it was written as ha ha time.

His first year was popular but after that everything was uneven, at best, and increasingly alienated from what viewers would want. The ratings started falling around late 2001, I believe.

Carolyn Culliton also worked with him early on. I would credit more of the good stuff to her.

Yes he did and it was kinda good, esp[ecially with John involved although I couldve cared less if Denise and Ben got together lol

I wasn't rooting for Ben and Denise, but more for Andy and his child. I loved the little family dynamic.

Poor Andy was such an afterthought in all that. This was when the rumors were going around that it was a mandate from the network that forced him out. And sadly he never returned

That was just about over by the time he arrived. I mostly remember that for scenes like Ben yelling at God for not letting Andy stay dead - tacky and not really in character either. The biggest problem for me was that the actors had no chemistry (Ben, Denise, or Andy) and Denise did not suit the martyr role. I felt like it was the show trying to make up for her first year on the show, when a lot of fans loathed her for things like selling her baby, wanting the baby back from Holden and Lily, nonchalantly trying to break up Ben and Camille.

He may have written the end (when Kim and John commented on how he was doing what John had done, and Andy finally came clean and left town in a hurry), but not the rest.

Thanks for the info. I didn't remember who actually started it along. I was thinking it was Sheffer, but it may have been Laiman or Broderick. Anyway, I really liked Denise. I thought she was very non-soapish. Loved Camille too.

Poor Andy was such an afterthought in all that. This was when the rumors were going around that it was a mandate from the network that forced him out. And sadly he never returned

You're right. I really wanted them to explore that more. I read at the time the network wanted him gone. To me that was sort of the beginning of the end.

I liked Denise too. Cassandra Creech was gorgeous in such a non-daytime way. The character was HATED by some, very vocally, and the show never seemed to know where to take her.

Camille was great too. I especially enjoyed her relationship with John. She was fired very suddenly and I thought it was a mistake. I sometimes wonder if, with Tamara Tunie returning around this time, some idiot thought having three black women in prominent or potentially prominent roles was not going to happen.

Thanks for the info. I didn't remember who actually started it along. I was thinking it was Sheffer, but it may have been Laiman or Broderick.

Andy being the father was Broderick. Andy and Denise marrying and Andy "dying" and returning and faking his paralysis was Laiman, I think.

I sometimes wonder if, with Tamara Tunie returning around this time, some idiot thought having three black women in prominent or potentially prominent roles was not going to happen.

I really wouldn't be surprised by that.

I am not sure but was HS responsible for Jennifer Munson dying in 06 as you stated in one of your posts?

HS was working on the staff at the time, but JP was HW. Not long after Jen died, Sheffer went to DAYS.

Did ATWT get a ratings boost from Sheffer

All these accollades by the press oddly sound very similar to RC at OLTL.

Poor Andy was such an afterthought in all that. This was when the rumors were going around that it was a mandate from the network that forced him out. And sadly he never returned

Wasnt the rumor as to why they dropped SD was because TPTB didnt think he was attractive enough. If true, thats whack because I think SD is HOT as hell and very attractive.

I hated what HS did to Julia.

Speaking of Jessica, I hated how he basically turned her into a slut.

Wasnt the rumor as to why they dropped SD was because TPTB didnt think he was attractive enough. If true, thats whack because I think SD is HOT as hell and very attractive.

I hated what HS did to Julia.

Speaking of Jessica, I hated how he basically turned her into a slut.

I thought he was very attractive also and apparently so did Maura West. I agree about Julia. HS ruined that character.

Yes, the "not hot" rumor was prominent. There was also a rumor that an executive made a pass at him, and when he said no, this was the result. Or maybe that was just something I figure when I read crap like that, I don't know. It's been a long time.

I hated what Sheffer did with every character. He's a horrible writer who can't write for people he likes or he hates. If he is the reason CZP wasn't fired, then I thank him, but I don't thank him for the years spent on Barbara as Brenda Vacarro/Mommie Dearest/Sunset Boulevard/Scooby Doo reincarnated.

Wait - I take that back. I did like his material for Hal and for Emily (at least until they had Emily panting after that 40-year old Chris recast).

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If he is the reason CZP wasn't fired, then I thank him, but I don't thank him for the years spent on Barbara as Brenda Vacarro/Mommie Dearest/Sunset Boulevard/Scooby Doo reincarnated.

LOL!!!! OMG, I agree. I hated that. I think that's the only time I detested Barbara. I was so glad when she snapped out of that.

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More on Sheffer here, an excerpt included from November 2001, an article from 2002, another excerpt from July 2002, and a end of the year excerpt from December 2002. All from the same columnist Tom Smith who wrote those previous articles I posted:

Daytime News and Commentary

by Tom Smith

December 3, 2001

SWEEPING UP SWEEPS

AS THE WORLD TURNS (GRADE: C)

The Big Story: Barbara is crazy! Man, she is nuts! She’s off the wall! Out of her mind! Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs! And, might I add she’s crazy?

Poor ATWT. The truth is that they spent all their capital prior to sweeps. The Malta adventure was (mercifully) over. The fallout of Bryan’s death, led to some phenomenal shows and performances. And Jake and Molly got married. (Do you hear me, Mary 5252? I won’t say anything bad about Hunt Block…for the rest of the year.) But, that all happened prior to Sweeps.

So, we got a kind of lackluster Sweeps, as ATWT dragged out the inevitable revelation of Barbara learning that Paul was scheming behind her back. In the meantime, we got pointless filler of Rose’s days as a prostitute, and Paul inexplicably keeping his business relationship with Carly hidden from Rose, as obstacles threatening to tear this couple apart. We also got more of the dastardly James Stenbeck, and his wacky psychological games. Surely, Anthony Hererra (James) will get an Emmy award—if they start giving awards for Best Lurking! Man, after all they’ve been through, Barbara would have to be crazy to listen to James, wouldn’t she?

Well, she is. If you got nothing else from the writing and Colleen Zenk Pinter’s “Do you want that ham on wheat or rye” performance, you should know that Barbara is crazy. Immediately following the fire, Barbara was sympathetic, as a woman who had made a lot of selfish mistakes, but did NOT deserve the payback she got. However, Barbara has become completely irrational, wanting to push everyone away from her, yet getting incensed when their world keeps on turning. She wants her designs used, but it’s hard to see the designs when she’s drawing big red X’s through them! Upon learning that Paul has employed a talented, sane woman to keep their company afloat, Barbara went off the deep end, and began digging a hole. She went to the fashion show, began ripping up dresses, practically knocked an innocent woman unconscious, terrorized her daughter, and tried to stab Carly, all in the span of about ten minutes. A slow, psychological descent this was not.

Pinter’s scenery chewing aside, there were other interesting performances as well. Maura Tierney (Carly) was good as a woman who was tired of apologizing for all her wrongs, while folks like Barbara were never called on theirs. Hunt Block (Craig) was…Hunt Block. Michael Park (Jack) excelled as the guy who clearly still cares about Carly, but just doesn’t know where they stand. Kim Onasch (Jennifer)’s terrified face-mugging at Barbara’s insanity proves that she if ever gets kicked off ATWT, she has a future in the B-horror movie circuit.

In Other News: Well, there’s not much. Almost everything intersected with the fashion show. Despite their silly obstacles, I enjoy Paul and Rose, and am glad that TPTB can still get their money’s worth out of Martha Byrne (Lily/Rose) while giving Lily a breather. The latest Jack/Carly stuff is interesting. It’s amazing after months of hating Jack, I’m now being conditioned to hate Carly for getting involved with a snake like Craig. I guess when Head Writer Hogan Sheffer said he was going to play the Carly/Jack/Julia triangle one last time he didn’t mean that Jack and Carly were going to get together. Issac/Bonnie have no chemistry. Are Ben and Jessica getting together, or are they just really good friends? I don’t hold out any hope for Ben after the outrageous handling of Ben/Lien.

I’d gladly review the Nick/Abigail/Adam story, if I could figure out what the story is. Any villain that messes with teenage love lives isn’t menacing, just pathetic.

Daytime News and Commentary

by Tom Smith

February 28, 2002

A few weeks ago, I planned to write an analysis of the (then) new Soap Opera Digest interview with As the World Turns’ Head Writer Hogan Sheffer. I certainly found the interview interesting and surprising in spots, (why else would I write about it), but I never expected that his comments (one in particular) would ignite a firestorm among Internet fans. Nor did I expect that said firestorm would be picked up by the soap press--and that it would make its way back to Sheffer, who would comment further.

THE CONTROVERSY

In the course of the interview, Sheffer comments on his writing for Simon/Katie, and his affection for the characters, which eventually leads to this passage:

Digest: It's harder once they're finally together, though.

HS: This is the dilemma of head writer. Carly, as a character, is fantastic. I love Maura West; all my writers love writing for her. I never want her to be with anyone. Because the whole thing with Carly is her being caught between two men. If you settle her in Milltown with Jack and they're holding hands and watching TV, I don't know what that is. I don't want to make her happy. Terri is great happy - that's the kind of story she generates. But Maura is a femme fatale (type). Carly's got a shady past, she's been a schemer, she's been put upon. You can play her in all kinds of stories of regret and redemption, but putting her in a happy marriage? God, I have nightmares. I wake up screaming about Carly being in a happy relationship.

Well, apparently Hogan decided to share the terror, because this passage gave a lot of CarJackers nightmares of their own. They were terrified that their couple was never going to be together, and happy. Worse, it seemed like Sheffer was doing a 180 from his first major interview conducted in November 2000, where he said: "I love Jack and Carly. We'll play out the (Carly/Jack/Julia) triangle one more time, then we'll put it to rest." Now, when Carly/Jack fans read that, they assumed that Sheffer loved Carly and Jack together , and married. Apparently, Sheffer loves them separately and miserable. Also, Sheffer certainly took his sweet time ending the triangle. In fact, it’s debatable he’s ended it at all, with the recent short-term stunt casting of Annie Parisse (Julia).

Next, Soap Opera Digest reported the Internet fans displeasure. (I don’t know why I’m surprised. SOD gets half their stories by trolling the Internet). Poor Michael Park (Jack) had to tell anyone who would listen that CarJack was a-okay, Jack still loves Carly, please don’t flip stations, don’t send hate mail, and for God‘s sake, put the gun down! (So, I paraphrased a bit). Now, in the most recent SOD, Sheffer, who reports he’s gotten his own e-mails on the situation, responds thusly:

"(Digest and I) actually had an interview about the writing, and the process and the prejudices and the passions that go with it. There are a lot of things I would like that don't have anything to do with what I actually might do. I didn't say I'll never make Carly happy--I said I don't like to see her happy. For me, personally, when she's miserable, I'm at my best as a writer. That's all I meant.

“You don't know what's coming. When it's finally here and you don't like it, then you can yell and scream. But don't read into things. Please, chill out and wait and see what happens."

Okay, where to begin? I like Sheffer. He comes across as interesting and honest, unlike other top industry execs that seem bland and muzzled. When someone promises a candid interview with Sheffer, that’s what you get, unlike other candid interviews which are usually more cookie-cutter tripe. (Really, is there any All My Children fan that doesn’t know the standard Jean Dadario Burke interview by heart?) I also continue to enjoy Sheffer’s writing, even if he’s stopped writing As the World Turns, and seems to be channeling The Edge of Night. (Sorry, but we are so far in outer space right now, it’s ridiculous.)

But, I can also see why CarJackers are upset. They have been through stupid plot device after stupid plot device. They have been promised many things by many writers and producers. Then came Hogan Sheffer. Not only was he a vast improvement over previous writers, but he seemed to get Carly, and especially, Jack. Then, he proclaims that he loves Jack and Carly, and that he’s going to wrap up the triangle. Now, you can debate what Sheffer intended to say, but I think many CarJackers interpreted the statement as this: “Look, you and I know that Jack and Carly are way overdue to be together. Let me wring a little drama from this Julia crap, and then I’ll put Jack and Carly together.” I don’t think anybody expect Jack and Carly to be completely happy, and never on the outs. But, bottom line, they want this couple to be together. Not the “You know my heart is always with you, and you’re the one I truly love, but I’m screwing 10, 000 other people, cause we just can’t get our act together” together, either. NEWSFLASH: The couple that’s “not together but always has this hold on each other” plays out real quick. The only show that’s made it work for an extended period of time is The Young and the Restless with Victor and Nikki, and even they’re finally being forced to let those characters mature.

I’m sincerely sorry that Sheffer, who's avoided so many soap pitfalls, has fallen into the marriage trap. You know. The one that says, “Marriage equals the end. Marriage is one step removed from death. Marriage is the end of the adventure. Marriage must be avoided. Marriage must be escaped from.” For some reason, soap bigwigs do not think of married couples as anything other than boring. One would think that a couple with the pasts, the chemistry, and the occupations that Jack and Carly have could generate something more exciting than the “happy couple“. We know Sheffer has a vivid imagination. What is it about reasonably happy, functional marriages that scares these people? Are they just unable to relate?

As for Sheffer’s follow-up comments, I will take them with a grain of salt. Fans of all soaps have been told various times by varying execs not to prejudge, and wait and see what happens. And while they’re waiting, they get hit with a 2X4. Granted, Sheffer is a cut above the current crop of writers. But, he’s also going to write stories and characters that he’s interested in. He may have Jack and Carly become happily married, despite his personal feelings. But, he’s also going to play to what he feels his strengths are as a writer. And, if he feels that married Carly doesn’t play to that, they’ll go the way of Tom and Margo. Hopefully, Sheffer will figure out that he’s a better writer than that.

HEY! SHEFFER SAID OTHER STUFF TOO!

On rejected stories: “I can't really think of a story that I wanted to do. I mean Lucy Johnson (CBS's senior vice president, Daytime, Children's Programs and Special Projects) and Shari Scharfer (director, Daytime Programming, East Coast) have been unbelievably supportive, like scarily supportive. The only problem we've run into, like rejection of story ideas, was when we were trying to figure out what to do with out young people. It's something that we want to put front-and-center, and we kept going to stories that involved them all as a group.... Ultimately we came upon a resolution that was pretty shocking. It was actually (Co-Head Writer) Jean Passanante who (suggested we kill Bryant). And then the snowball started rolling. It gave us a chance to put Abigail and Adam in one story, take Jennifer off for a while and then bring her back in another tale. So, only in finding something for the young people have I had any problems getting stories approved by the network.”

Jean Passanante is also being ripped apart by Internet fans, thanks to this interview. She wasn’t well received in the first place, due to what went on during her tenure as Head Writer of AMC. I had no problem with killing off Bryant. His character was boring and useless, and most people didn’t care if he was on the show or not. Only when the writers decided to kill him off, was there some huge, largely inexplicable outcry. What I’m upset about is that Bryant’s death is startlingly similar to a JFP shameless Emmy Grab, like the death of Baby Megan at OLTL. There seems to be no thought to the story beyond giving actors a few really good emotional scenes for the Emmy reel. Worse, Bryant’s death could have ignited tons of story, if the writers let it. Instead, it’s been largely forgotten in favor of James Stenbeck’s Spa of Doom and other storylines that are entertaining, but nearly as satisfying as the extended fallout of Bryant’s death could have been. They dropped the ball.

On using veteran performers: “Sometimes you run into them and catch a little hell. I met Helen Wagner (Nancy) and her husband in the hall a few weeks ago, and she reminded me that I have used her very little in the last few months, and I apologized because she's right. She's the matriarch of the show, and I said I'd try to keep it in mind. But for the most part I don't get complaints, though I'm sure that there are actors who complain to other people. We're using some people more than others, and that's my call.”

I think Sheffer is using veteran characters better than recent predecessors. And I don’t think that viewers really want old characters in front-burner storylines. They just want to see them more than once a month in the party scene, or getting two lines at the wedding ceremony. There are often situations that cry out for certain characters to be present, to comfort someone, or chew out someone else--but they’re just absent. As for Nancy, they seemed to have a nice story going with her and Rose’s father, but that came to an end. While I believe that Sheffer has his favorites, I can’t help but think that this has more to do with budgetary concerns.

On the Ghost Story: “With the ghost story, the audience should have known what the ghost wanted at least halfway through that story and I just kept trying to milk it until the end. And it got very wearying, even for me, watching it. As good as it was. I love Tom Eplin (Jake) and Lesli (Kay, Molly), but I just said to myself, 'If I were watching this at home, I would want to know what the hell is going on here.'"

It’s very refreshing to hear a Head Writer admit he made a mistake. And not the nambsy-pambsy, “Ooh, we misread the audience”, or “The network made us do it!” Sheffer looks back and says, “My story was dumb and frustrating.” It’s even more interesting to compare this to the quotes Sheffer was giving a year ago when he insisted that viewers would eventually see why the story had to be told this way. Wrong!

On What Would Happen if Executive Producer Chris Goutman Left: “..."I wake up screaming in the dark thinking about it. I'm surrounded by great writers, I've been give a certain amount of leeway on the stories I want to tell. But it's the show. Forget the writing, look at the show, what's up on the television screen. Goutman almost never says no.”

Two things: 1)Either Sheffer needs to see a therapist about these screaming nightmares or he needs to drop this idiotic catchphrase. 2) It’s nice to hear about an Executive Producer who works with and stands up for his writers, instead of trying to write the show himself, or rolling over and playing dead for the networks.

On Cooley’s Island: "The island walked a thin line, but I just love Don Chastain (Cooley). I told Goutman I want to put somebody on that island every summer for at least once a month so we can have Don Chastain." I wake up screaming about that quote. :0) Maybe as time progresses, Sheffer will move this to the mistake column, where it belongs.

On James Stenbeck: "Isn't he wonderful, Anthony (Herrera)? I never saw the old incarnations of Stenbeck. He' s so good. Every day you turn it on and go, 'I didn't know if this will work,' and there it is. We wrote that Molly/Jake wedding, and it was such a jumble of stories and you get through the breakdowns and read the scripts and go, 'Somehow it all sort of makes sense.' But then you look at the tapes and go, 'Holy s---, we wrote that.'"

Well, Sheffer seems to truly be on a learning curve. Remember the Sheffer that wasn’t going to use continuing villains, and thought David Stenbeck was so ridiculous, he had the corpse shot? Now, he’s working with James Stenbeck, the ultimate comeback villain. Perhaps James will join his son in “Really, Most Sincerely Dead” Land, at the end of this story. I’m up to here with villains that never die. Side Note: I like Jake and Molly, but that wedding was not a high point in Sheffer’s run. It did end Malta Madness, which is wisely not referred to at all in this interview.

On recasts: “We got lucky twice: Hunt Block walked into Craig like he'd owned it for years, and (Scott) Holroyd did the same (with Paul). We never got a negative reaction from the audience. They just accepted it. It was really strange." If Sheffer never got a negative reaction about Block, I expect he’s got one now. (I’m sure CarJackers slipped in a few comments in their e-mails). I never saw the other guy, and I’ve got problems with Block’s performance, which is often just plain bad, by anyone’s standards.

On What He Watches: “First and foremost, THE SIMPSONS. There is only THE SIMPSONS. And they seem to get better every year. THE SIMPSONS and KING OF THE HILL, obviously. And THE PRACTICE. It hooks you. It's a great soap....I like PASSIONS. I like its tone. I get it. I watch GUIDING LIGHT, too. I've been watching that off and on for like the last two months. I was trying to tune in because I feel a certain devotion to Procter and Gamble and to Mickey (Dwyer-Dobbin, executive in charge of production) and Bill (Graham, director of creative affairs) and I'd like to see what else we're doing. And I guess I also n the back of my mind (it's in case) I'm ever asked to help (laughs)....Amber on BOLD AND BEAUTIFUL. I don't know what it is about her but I just love her. “

I still like you, Hogan, but The Simpsons peaked two years ago, King of the Hill is not funny, and The Practice is running out of steam. I get Passions, but it’s the most over praised piece of soap ever. I too watch Guiding Light more because I feel like I should than because I enjoy it. Funny that Sheffer thinks he may be called in to help--I wonder if GL’s head writer read this. Amber---ick. I’ll stop here. The interview with Sheffer was a good and meaty read--not what I’m used to from SOD. A pleasant surprise.

Daytime News and Commentary

by Tom Smith

July 21, 2002

The Show: As the World Turns

What Strikes Me: At the risk of being subjected to pitchforks and torches, ATWT currently reminds of GH earlier this year. Remember our discussion of how McTavish and Phelps were trying to make GH a more traditional soap, but their hearts clearly weren’t in it? I see Sheffer and company trying to return ATWT to the roots of family and romance that are the show’s--and the genre’s--strength, but it’s being done in a very bland and unexciting manner. As ludicrous as James Stenbeck’s latest reign of terror was, you could tell that the writers were genuinely into it. Current stories seem half-hearted and thrown together, which means the writers had no game plan after Stenbeck wrapped up and Scotland blew up, or they had a game plan, but it was scuttled due to negative feedback.

Potential is there. The Emily/Allison conflict has roots in the show’s history and could be very interesting. However, if they want it to have any depth, they have to stop playing Susan as a mega bitch who’s got something nasty to say no matter what Emily does or why. Putting aside the acting skills of the two involved, Aaron and Lucy has a nice built-in “Romeo and Juliet” feel. But, they’re playing the story at warp speed. The getting to know each other, tension with Allison, family feuding, and secret pasts should be played one at a time. Instead, they’re all going simultaneously, and all in the space of a few months. And Summer or no Summer, you don’t take actors as green as Agim Kaba (Aaron) and Peyton List (Lucy) and make them start carrying the show. Does Kristina Sisco (Abigail) ring a bell? A decent actress, but giving her the bulk of the airtime quickly made her persona non grata.

The Jack/Carly/Craig/Rosanna quadrangle is the compromise between Hogan’s “Carly should screw every guy in town” and CarJackers’ “Carly and Jack should be happily married” positions. You know the writers have tired of Carly and Jack, but they’re afraid to break them up. Carly is much more likeable when she acknowledges her past sins and tries to move forward, instead of glossing over them and casting stones at others. The current characterization of Rosanna isn’t making Carly a heroine.

And for sheer stupidity and arrogance, it doesn’t come much worse than spending a third summer on Lilligan’s Island, this time complete with a fake Simon. The first time was horrible, and only Sheffer’s last-minute takeover, using the island to move on to bigger and better things helped. The second time was a cocky failure. Sheffer intended to poke fun at what he had salvaged. It wasn’t meant to be taken seriously, but it wasn’t entertaining either. This go-round seems as though it’s being ghosted by Leah Laiman, meaning Sheffer and crew have officially sunk to the level of that which they made fun of. I don’t care how great Sheffer can be, he proposes this garbage next summer, he needs to be shot.

The Bottom Line Could be much worse. Could be much better. This gets a C.

This is from Smith's Best and Worst of 2002 edition, published on December 30, 2002

DIVERSITY AWARD: As the World Turns

Seriously. Not only has ATWT brought their long-adrift African-American characters to the front burner, they’ve put them in plots that are just as asinine as the other stories! Nothing says equality like equal suffering.

AS THE WORLD TURNS: Something is rotten in Oakdale. Actually, several things are rotten, like villains run amok (I loved Annie two years ago; now I NEVER WANT TO SEE HER AGAIN), idiotic “adventure stories” that failed on every level, trivialization of rape, by-the-numbers plotting (Carly sleeps with Mike. Carly sleeps with Jack. Say it with me now: WHO THE DADDY?), failure to learn from mistakes (more island idiocy, too much time spent on a boring teen couple played by unseasoned actors--hello, Abigail/Chris!), and the backburner of core characters. (Coming up with a good story like Margo’s health problem, and making about Simon/Katie, then jettisoning it altogether? WHAT?!) Yes, Sheffer gives a great interview, and there may be something to his “too many women on the staff” comment. More likely, there’s too many cooks in Aunt Emma’s kitchen; the recipe that made Sheffer’s first year great has gone rancid. Still, no transplanted embryos, and the Rose/Lily reveal still makes lots more sense than the Natalie/Jessica REVEAL THAT WON’T END. ]

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