Members Shawn Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 Major + 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 It was a sh!tty move, yes, but a blunder/mistake? Had they kept AW and passed on PSNS, AW probably would have gotten the axe within five or so years. If not that soon, it definitely would have been out before GL. I can see what sungrey's saying though, that the mistake was in cancelling AW to make room for PSNS instead of just adding PSNS to the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Max Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 Although I believe that Frons was not the most destructive person to the soap genre (that distinction belongs to JER, although--of course--many other individuals caused the demise of soap operas as well), I do believe that appointing him as ABC Daytime chief should have ranked around #4 or #5 on the list. (#9 is much too low.) While AW is my very favorite soap, its cancellation (on its own) was not the most damaging thing to happen to the genre. (And it was justified based on the ratings it got on the time, although it pisses me off that the much lower-rated SuBe did not go first.) However, the failure of Passions was one of the very worst things (if not the worst) to happen to the soap genre. (That being said, Passions deserved to fail because it was a piece of s#it.) I think most of us agree that the main thing that doomed the genre was the high failure rate among "new" soaps. Yet, many new soaps were practically guaranteed to fail as a result of poor network promotion and/or being placed in erratic timeslots. In fact, during the last 35 years, only B&B (which obviously succeeded) and Passions were handed that precious combination of intensive network promotion and great timeslot. When a new soap is this lucky, there is no excuse for it not to succeed, but of course Passions did fail because JER fu*ked it up so badly. (One can also blame Passions' failure on the horrendous "actors" who were on the show, but that is ultimately JER's fault becuase he hired those people.) And because of this failure, all the networks concluded that the soap genre was irreversibly in decline. (Thus, it is no coincidence that Passions was the last ever daytime soap to debut.) I am thrilled that JER's first stint at DOOL made the top ten. Although his ardent defenders loved the Marlena possession storyline and others that he wrote, his tenure forever ruined the credibility of soaps. And while it is true that nobody held a gun to the heads of the executives of the other soaps who copied JER, immense pressure would not have been put on those executives had JERs first tenure at DOOL deservedly flopped in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Eric83 Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 How much longer was AW going to last pulling in 2.2's in 1998 and 1999? The show had been in the bottom portion of the ratings for 2 decades. I think some are letting the stories and things Passions did affect their view. If the show's ratings stink replace it with something new and cheaper. Same thing as now except it was another soap. The only reason AW went first was because they wanted Passions to have Days as a lead in and if replaced SuBe it could have gone anywhere.... 11am, midnight, 3am, 9am lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 I can totally see your point in respect to the Marlena possession storyline being the final nail in the coffin of Days' credibilty (a coffin that would remain nailed shut for years and only occassionally come loose), but I have to give credit to where credit is due. I am the first person to judge the bad moves by JER, though with many faults during his time on Days ( I don't count his second stint because that was just an unbelievable piece of excrement without any merit whatosever), he DID introduce some pretty long lasting and loved characters/storylines. Kristen Blake Dimera became one of the best vilians in daytime history. Austin, Billie, Lucas, Kate, and Vivian became staples on the show, and are even today (even off screen, they're talked about). Carly being buried alive was twisted, but it was mesmerizing. The Carrie/Austin/Lucas/Sami storyline was epic. He brought back Laura. He penned the Alan Stalker/Rapist storyline which fueled the hatred/rivalry of Carrie/Sami. The Who's Will's Daddy? storyine was great too. The best thing about JER, besides creating a ratings spike almost unheard of at the time, was that he created a very gothic atmosphere on the show, but yet grounded it in family and love. I bitched a lot, but I watched because I couldn't stop myself. He did his job in that aspect. During the last year on Days, if I miss more than one episode, I don't care. That never happened during 1993-1997. With all the horrid mistakes, he did have some pretty amazing moments. That I have to give him credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 I have to wonder if anyone will touch on the SuperCouple fixation as being one of the top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 That didn't even cross my mind. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 Frons at #9? I wonder what will be top 5 bc I sure thought he would be. I agree on the Kay/Jill debacle. I didnt mind them as mother/daughter mainly bc I wasnt watching in the 70s/80s but I hated what MAB did as she did make it even worse I dont agree on Marlena's possession. I thought that was good for Days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DeeeDee Posted September 9, 2011 Members Share Posted September 9, 2011 While Maria/Hogan are as equally destructive to Y&R as LML? All of what's currently wrong with Y&R really began with Jack Smith. That's what really needs to be in the number 10 spot. That particular "blunder" really should've been #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 11, 2011 Members Share Posted September 11, 2011 More have been posted. 6-10 http://www.welovesoaps.net/2011/09/blunders106.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members All My Shadows Posted September 11, 2011 Members Share Posted September 11, 2011 We discussed those for a page and a half Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 11, 2011 Members Share Posted September 11, 2011 Agreed on all accounts. If this was a list of issues that helped destroy Y&R then maybe (and I'm not a regular viewer so can't really comment) the Jill thing deserved a listing, but did it really help destroy soaps in general? Yes I just realized this... now lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 12, 2011 Members Share Posted September 12, 2011 It's too bad, because at its best (which definitely weren't the first few months) SuBe was everything, IMHO, Passions should have been but wasn't. Fun, irreverent, fast paced, campy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricMontreal22 Posted September 12, 2011 Members Share Posted September 12, 2011 I still can't believe FM Behr ALMOST got his job. While you can love or hate her, she truly loves the format--I wonder how different things would have been now under her. (I still suspect soaps would ultimately be doomed, but we would hvae had to put up with an awful less). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members JaneAusten Posted September 12, 2011 Members Share Posted September 12, 2011 http://www.welovesoaps.net/2011/09/blunders51.html#more Top 5 - not sure I agree sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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