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SOD's excerpt from Carolyn Hinsey's new book

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Longtime Digest columnist Carolyn Hinsey has written a book called "Afternoon Delight: Why Soaps Still Matter", slated for release this month from 4th Street Media. Here is an excerpt from Chapter 12, titled "Naming Names." Uh oh....

Bye Bye Bauers

The final domino for GUIDING LIGHT came in the form of a sleepy little New Jersey town called Peapack that knocked our beloved Springfield down for good.

On February 29th, 2008, Executive Producer Ellen Wheeler launched the new "production model" that was supposed to save GL. Her plan was to use hand-held camers, permanent sets and location shooting to revitalize this 70 year-old jewel.

"We all knew about the house in Peapack way before they told us about it," says a GL source of the home in New Jersey that would soon be used for much of the show's action. "I remember a general meeting with everybody where Ellen allowed people to ask questions. Someone said 'We're hearing rumors about a house the show has bought in New Jersey where we're all going to have to go work.' You could hear a pin drop. She said, 'No, that's not true at all.' Turned out we were just LEASING the house."

For some reason, Wheeler shrouded her Peapack plans in secrecy, keeping them even from CBS. "Everyone was going to [CBS Daytime honcho] Barbara Bloom and begging her to do something, but she turned a blind eye. And Ellen flatly refused to release the scripts to anyone. Ricky Paul [Goldin, Gus Aituro] didn't want anything to do with Peapack, so he quit." (Goldin joined ALL MY CHILDREN later that year as Tad's brother, Jake Martin.)

Wheeler filmed the first "location" episode on the sly with only a handful of people. Numerous actors spoke off the record of the debacle that followed, but true to daytime's protective atmosphere did not want to be quoted-even though their show isn't even on the air anymore.

"I remember we had a special airing of the first episode in the studio," recalls an actor. "They called everybody in and brought in lunch. We all sat there and watched this horrible episode. There was no storyline, they just placed people in different sets, like Josh and Billy on a work site with Remy. Everyone politely clapped and then we all filed out going, 'Oh, my God, what garbage.' Ellen was furious; it was like hell had frozen over. We found out later she wrote the episode herself."

Things went downhill from there, if you can imagine. Sources say that CBS honchos finally got a look at what Wheeler was doing and did not like what they saw. The shaky cameras and rough production values were bad enough, but viewers often could not hear the dialogue.

"Our days were numbered after that," sighs one source. "But Ellen just stayed in her tunnel and plowed ahead. We turned executive offices into nail salons and her office into a church sanctuary and shot everything with those awful hand-held cameras. She loved all the technical stuff. She was more invested in that than the actual storyline and characters on the show, which of course was the problem. Her attitude was, 'How dare they not buy into my vision?"

The cast had it the worst, changing their clothes on location shoots in cars and behind garages, and not getting proper hair, makeup, and wardrobe. Contrary to what fans were seeing on air, it was still supposed to be a soap opera.

"I can't tell you how humiliating it was out there. I remember one chilly day we were shooting a scene of Dinah and Mallet playing golf. It was supposed to be May, so Gina [Tognoni, Dinah] wasn't wearing a coat. She was freezing and got cranky. Ellen took off her giant down coat with the big label on it and said, 'Just wear this, it's fine.' I thought the costume designer was going to die. We'd all be out there and the director would ask a question and she'd say, 'Oh, the audience won't notice. They won't care.' but yes they will! They're invested! They care!"

GL limped along for over a year with the new "production model" as the writing - and morale - deteriorated.

"Fans just want to see their favorite characters in a well-written storyline," laments the source, who has gone on to work on another show. "They don't care if they're sitting in a real diner. They just want to see what happens to them."

GL was cancelled in March 2009.

"No show in daytime or prime-time, or anytime has touched so many millions of viewers over so many years," said CBS Daytime exec Barbara Bloom in a statement. She was later ousted.

The last episode aired on September 18, 2009, a full 72 years after Irna Phillips dreamed up her enduring vision of a light in the window to guide Reverend Ruthledge's flock.

"I don't think P&G willingly got out of the soap biz," surmises the source. "The people in charge just didn't understand why people watch soaps, which kills me because that was their whole thing - marketing and their connection to their buyers for 80 years. They lost contact with that."

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What really got me angry about the end of ATWT was the waste. The show received PLENTY of notice to come up with a good wrap-up. But what did we get? The return of Iris Dumbrowski. The death of an iconic villain by some annoying twit. That ENDLESS kidnapping story with Chuckles The Clown. And endless attention to Jean Passante's attempt to recreate the Snyders, the dreaded Ciccones. Hell, a character we saw maybe five times, Rocco C, got twice as much funeral coverage as the woman who said ATWT's first line of dialogue. And we can't get Scott DeFrietas back (when he's married to the show's leading lady), but we get Julie Pinson's husband on as Useless Character No. 412, Blackie?

Nobody wanted all this crap at the end. What we wanted was a chance for us to say goodbye, and for the characters who went through so much to say goodbye to each other. I would've preferred to see Katie and Henry say goodbye to each other, or see film clips of the shows glory years than all the Avalon Castles, and Gabriels/Libertys in the world.

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You know, as much as I hated GL's last two years I really did enjoy GL's final weeks a lot just to see all the old faces pop up. Yes it had its flaws and was goofy but you know what for the most part GL's finale brought closure and peace. Fletcher came back. Ed and Holly reunited. Dylan and Bridget got to reconcile. Billy and Vanessa remarried.

On the other hand, I did like some of ATWT but aside from Jack, Carly, John, Lucinda, Barbara, Henry, Bob, Kim and Luke I didn't care too much for the rest. ATWT's finale was sad and strange, maybe it was because ATWT had so much story left to tell. Yet at the same time ATWT had a good nine months to wrap up but instead for the most part we got some ridiculous storylines. Heck 2009 had more returns like Damien, Mike, Ben, Jessica, Simon etc. than 2010 and that was for Jack's side journey in addition to James Stenbeck in the Henry is a Stenbeck tale.

Oh and those deleted scenes between Craig and Rosanna were very strange. :ph34r:

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I felt like Goutman only cared about bringing back past characters when he was hoping ratings would go up and when the show was canceled there was no real effort in that area, aside from people he knew, Liz Hubbard's work for Larry B, and Julianne Moore being nice enough to return.

It was strange to me that Seth could return for Holden's SECOND fake funeral, but not for the last episodes.

I don't want to turn this into GL/ATWT because certainly GL was a bigger mess creatively than ATWT at the end, but I felt much more of an emotional connection with the last weeks of GL. The returns were shoddy at times but at least they were there, and even though it should have been better, I was glad to say goodbye to Bridget, Nola, Fletcher, and others I never expected to see again. Looking back I still can't believe they got Lisa Brown back considering how she loathed her 90's stint on the show and how she didn't even think that much of anything at GL after Marland. Yet she was nowhere to be found when ATWT ended :(

Oh and those deleted scenes between Craig and Rosanna were very strange. :ph34r:

They were odd but I felt like Cady was the only one Jon sparked with on ATWT, aside from Liz Hubbard, somewhat.

I was most annoyed by the stuff about how he learned forgiveness through Lily. Come on. They should have brought Betsy back for that.

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I think ATWT was probably a better finale for the show that was on that time (what Goutman had turned it into), but GL -- despite perhaps being a weaker actual episode -- was a more satisfying finale for the entire series (or perhaps the last 30ish years of it).

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Speaking of Lisa Brown, has anyone seen how awful she looks lately? I can't believe this is the same woman we saw just two years on GL's finale.

Wouldn't be the first time. Remember when she came back on ATWT for Rose's funeral sporting like pink hair? That was a bad hair day for her, and she only had like two lines.

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Speaking of Lisa Brown, has anyone seen how awful she looks lately? I can't believe this is the same woman we saw just two years on GL's finale.

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She looks bad for her age. She is only 57. My parents look better than her.

I love seeing Martha again. Good thing she didn't run into Goutman.:ph34r:

Remember when.......

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Getting back on track, obviously GL's production woe's began under Conboy and his outlandish sets as well as dropping three important stars to recurring status in favor of cheaper newbies who didn't even last a year leading up the 2005 fiasco in which several cast members were eliminated.

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I actually enjoyed the ATWT finale. I found it sweet and sentimental. The spinning globe at the end was a little hokey, but it still got me bawling. I wasn't a long-term fan. If I had been, maybe it would've been a different story. My only gripe was so little of Eileen Fulton. She drove the show to great success in those early years, and they should've had her doing more than just playing the Greek chorus to the John and Luncinda stuff. Why wasn't she with Tom and Margo when Casey and Alison took off. I did read that she had been more prominent in the finale, as originally taped, but that Goutman was forced to cut some of her scenes.

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Wow. She looks like my grandmother. Perhaps the lack of hair dye isn't helping. With those blaring lights that hit her face every so often it's like a homeless woman wandering until a police car picks her up.

I actually enjoyed the ATWT finale. I found it sweet and sentimental. The spinning globe at the end was a little hokey, but it still got me bawling. I wasn't a long-term fan. If I had been, maybe it would've been a different story. My only gripe was so little of Eileen Fulton. She drove the show to great success in those early years, and they should've had her doing more than just playing the Greek chorus to the John and Luncinda stuff. Why wasn't she with Tom and Margo when Casey and Alison took off. I did read that she had been more prominent in the finale, as originally taped, but that Goutman was forced to cut some of her scenes.

And not forced to cut any of the garbage with the teens which took up most of the deleted scenes. I don't buy that.

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Wow. She looks like my grandmother. Perhaps the lack of hair dye isn't helping. With those blaring lights that hit her face every so often it's like a homeless woman wandering until a police car picks her up.

And not forced to cut any of the garbage with the teens which took up most of the deleted scenes. I don't buy that.

The hair color doesnt do Brown any favors.

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Uh...I was more disappointed in the GL returns than the ATWT non-returns. Yeah, great...Fletch, Nola and Bridget got two lines apiece. At Billy/Vanessa and Buzz/Lillian's wedding? NOTHING pissed me off more than the way GL blatantly had all of Billy and Van's relationship happen off screen. And Buzz and Lillian? *screams* I'm sorry---nothing against the actors, but GMAFB. Two characters who hadn't done crap for years get a wedded sendoff?

Do I wish ATWT would have weeded out the inconsequential characters, taken huge risks (sending the worthless Craig off to jail...) and went out with a bang? Sure....but that wasn't really ATWT's style in the first place. Frankly, even the two weeks they spent on Luke's tragic lovelife pissed me off. As good as ESS was...he hadn't even been on the show a year.

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I always have mixed feelings on fleeting returns or fleeting stories - would it be better to not see them at all than to see some truncated mess?

In GL's case, I went with happy to see them at all, mostly because I had been so burned out on GL's last 10-15 years that I was happy to take any crumbs. I never really thought Vanessa and Billy would get back together - I thought Vanessa would reconcile with boring Matt or just be alone and vanish. I didn't think I'd even hear Bridget's name, much less see her again. The same goes for Fletcher.

That's not to say they didn't waste most of their returns (especially Ed and Holly) or that they didn't waste time - there was huge amounts of pointless material, like the non-story of Ashlee reacting to her mother's insta-lesbianism, or anything with Daisy, or the Edmund/Richard "chase" scenes which looked like a direct-to-video release from 1994, or Cyrus being Jenna's son (as much as I grew to care about Jenna and as much as I liked Cyrus when he didn't have to actually do anything beyond look good half-naked/smirk, that really was totally pointless).

I guess I was just glad the effort was made.

ATWT had some decent stories and their characters were in better shape than GL's at the end, but I felt like there was almost no effort made on the show's history. It still bothers me because I don't understand why. Is it that difficult to mention names? To say, "Hey Katie, your mother's on the phone," or, "Allison, Ellen couldn't be here today, but she wanted me to give you this card"? I'd take anything. I know it's a sop to old pathetic deluded fans and that Goutman was somehow showing his genius by ignoring this (or that's what I read at the time anyway, on DC), but just even a token effort would have been nice.

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ATWT had some decent stories and their characters were in better shape than GL's at the end, but I felt like there was almost no effort made on the show's history. It still bothers me because I don't understand why. Is it that difficult to mention names? To say, "Hey Katie, your mother's on the phone," or, "Allison, Ellen couldn't be here today, but she wanted me to give you this card"? I'd take anything. I know it's a sop to old pathetic deluded fans and that Goutman was somehow showing his genius by ignoring this (or that's what I read at the time anyway, on DC), but just even a token effort would have been nice.

Honestly, that's a huge reason I'm still into Days. I'd watch, or at least keep up, til the bitter end regardless, but they still make the effort to make it feel like Salem. Justin and Adrienne's kid just showed up, and he had a throwaway line about having seen his Grandma Jo (Adrienne's mom) and her husband, Vern. Those characters haven't been seen since 2006, but the show has kept them alive with little bits like that. I don't get why it was so hard for ATWT -- which was my #2 show behind Days -- to do that sort of stuff in latter years. I guess the answer is that it wasn't hard, but no one was interested in the history.

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I get what you're saying, especially knowing Bryggman's return was thanks to Liz Hubbard (and Julianne Moore's wasn't thanks to TPTB either, I think).

But GL's was just so hilariously bad. Alan dies, and they spread his ashes at the edge of a lake. Frank and Blake? *eyeroll* No time at all spent reuniting Rick and Mindy---the list goes on and on.

I guess I'm trying to separate expectations and what was onscreen. And IMO, GL was a mess.

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