33 minutes ago, Maxim said:

Up to August 15th, 1989

The Age of the copy-paste! 

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As if someone said "Let's just repeat what we did with Silver last year!" and... they killed Marissa off. And guess how? You guessed correctly. In the same way they killed Silver off - she just... shot herself in accident. LOL. In storytelling... when you kill someone off, you really NEED a strong reason to do it. If you do it randomly, you are showcasing the most lazy and uninspired habit of writers. In my drama school we had a professor who used to tell us - if you get too many people dying in a play... and it's not Shakespeare... then... it's NOT GOOD. Pass on it. 

So, yeah, Marissa croaked and all of a sudden David is acting like young Norman Bates. I'm not saying that this storyline doesn't have potential - the young hero turned psycho after losing Mommie dearest... but I doubt this will be written well. I can't wait to see MDP go. 

ANOTHER NEGATIVE

Erica, acting like a cartoon network character... decided she will run off to New York to investigate if Daddy is really alive. I'm sorry guys, but that was the moment to call a doctor and have her examined. The fact that Jackson and Mona are letting her do this... tolerating her monologues about Barney-the-clown... is mind boggling to me. I don't care if that ugly clown is ERIC KANE - Erica is acting like a crazy person. And becoming increasingly annoying in this fake storyline. I miss my 1988 Erica. I want her back. I want my Lorraine Broderick Erica!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW TO THE POSITIVE!

Adam has started his campaign to drive Dixie crazy, get her involuntary confined to a psychiatric hospital and steal her baby basically. I doubt he will achieve it... because we have that all so handsome Tad (who's been gaining some muscle lately and showing off) there to help her. The storyline is basic serial cliche... but I love it. The characters make it work. The actors make it work. Adam is really THE DEVIL! Planning to do this to Dixie... after she just had her child kidnapped... is inhumane. And I'm giving Dixie the "Raising star"⭐ award - she entered the picture... stumbling and messy... but in a year... she has become one of the most magnetic presences in the show. And I can almost forgive her for sleeping with a married man. But I won't. And I truly believe what is happening to her is karma for what she did to Brooke. Sorry, not sorry. You open your legs to married man... you reap your consequences, bish. 

Highlight - Adam... starting to gaslight Dixie. What a monster.

Sorry about CurrentEricaEtAl but this clip? 11/10!!!!!

DiabolicalDavidCanary is it any wonder he has more than a half dozen  Emmys? (rhetorical)

 

4 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

I rarely meet someone who isn't a Brooke fan, or at least doesn't like her!  Please tell me why!!  

I'll bet I can give you an odd reply. Well, I like Brooke but the primary reason I do is because I like Julia Barr. However, I do have one way in which I do not like Brooke with its one odd specific reason & that is because I detest her daughter Laura "Swifferhead" & that falls on her because she gave birth to her & then reared her, so who else could I blame? 

7 minutes ago, Maxim said:

Oh I agree about the Daddy issues and obsession. I was more referring to the clown stuff. Chasing a ghost and a clown is a little more caricaturish than what I would have liked. Her monologues about Barney were a bit too absurd. And unintentionally funny.

If this storyline was written so that she gets suspicious he may be alive slowly and not by some clown that dances in front of her... Then it would have worked better. 

But I agree that her fixation is in character. My focus is mostly on the way it's being written. I am in no way saying that she is not obsessed with her father and him abandoning her. That's been repeated by the show every single month now for a year and a half. I got it. LOL. 

I do agree that the story is going lightening fast.  In fact, I think it would have worked a bit better if Mona was the one that recognized him instead of Erica.. and she's debating about whether to tell Erica or keep it to herself.   It would have resulted in some fiery Erica/Mona scenes that were in character.

I also think MDP went lightening fast with Erica's arc during her time.  In March of 1989, Erica is still reeling from Travis being with Skye and trying to accept he's moved on while Jack is trying to help her with her business.. and by June/July.. Jackson/Erica are in bed together.  That went too fast for me and it underscored my belief that Jackson was just a rebound for Erica and never her true love.  (You'll see that a lot during the Agnes, Megan McTavish, and Broderick ers in the 90s).

9 minutes ago, alwaysAMC said:

I rarely meet someone who isn't a Brooke fan, or at least doesn't like her!  Please tell me why!!  

Where to start.

She's smug, judgmental, a snob.. and tries to portray herself as better then other women when she's actually worse then those women.  My favorite scene I came across was Gloria Marsh giving her the smackdown at the Martin House in December 1991 with Brooke visibly shaken.   It was the rare time someone finally called out Brooke for throwing stones at glass houses.

 

13 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

Where to start.

She's smug, judgmental, a snob.. and tries to portray herself as better then other women when she's actually worse then those women.  My favorite scene I came across was Gloria Marsh giving her the smackdown at the Martin House in December 1991 with Brooke visibly shaken.   It was the rare time someone finally called out Brooke for throwing stones at glass houses.

 

LOL -  I do get the smug, judgmental that you're referring to.  She earned her tougher exterior though.  

Ohh I'd love to see that smackdown with Gloria.  I don't remember that specific scene.

25 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

I do agree that the story is going lightening fast.  In fact, I think it would have worked a bit better if Mona was the one that recognized him instead of Erica.. and she's debating about whether to tell Erica or keep it to herself.   It would have resulted in some fiery Erica/Mona scenes that were in character.

I also think MDP went lightening fast with Erica's arc during her time.  In March of 1989, Erica is still reeling from Travis being with Skye and trying to accept he's moved on while Jack is trying to help her with her business.. and by June/July.. Jackson/Erica are in bed together.  That went too fast for me and it underscored my belief that Jackson was just a rebound for Erica and never her true love.  (You'll see that a lot during the Agnes, Megan McTavish, and Broderick ers in the 90s).

That is something we agree on. The entire thing started off like a future-stalker situation... then it grew to Erica wanting to visit that circus every day (because she felt it was "wonderful and magical")... then feeling drawn to the clown who enticed her with his "performance"... So I should believe that Erica Kane - this glamorous millionaire socialite will go back and back to a low-budget circus... to see a "clown" and even run to catch him in the dressing room. And even after they saw his clippings and creepy photos of her... she was still pro-Barney. Don't even start me on the way she "fell" and lost consciousness... so that Barney can save her life. That was sooooooo fake. At least they could have written that something fell and hit her head... the way she spun around and fell reminded me of this...

And the bizarre level just went up and up and up... to a point where Erica sounds mad when she claims this is her father. It could have been better if she thought he was a dangerous stalker... but it was in fact her father... and she was very slowly coming to that conclusion... and that would have been more sane and more interesting for me. 

 

38 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

Sorry about CurrentEricaEtAl but this clip? 11/10!!!!!

DiabolicalDavidCanary is it any wonder he has more than a half dozen  Emmys? (rhetorical)

He has won half dozen Emmys?!!!! I didn't know this! WOOOW.  He deserves them. 

Edited March 24Mar 24 by Maxim

15 minutes ago, Maxim said:

He has won half dozen Emmys?!!!! I didn't know this! WOOOW.  He deserves them. 

Yep (well, close)!  He won 5 times and was nominated 16 times!    Well-deserved.

18 minutes ago, Maxim said:

That is something we agree on. The entire thing started off like a future-stalker situation... then it grew to Erica wanting to visit that circus every day (because she felt it was "wonderful and magical")... then feeling drawn to the clown who enticed her with his "performance"... So I should believe that Erica Kane - this glamorous millionaire socialite will go back and back to a low-budget circus... to see a "clown" and even run to catch him in the dressing room. And even after they saw his clippings and creepy photos of her... she was still pro-Barney. Don't even start me on the way she "fell" and lost consciousness... so that Barney can save her life. That was sooooooo fake. At least they could have written that something fell and hit her head... the way she spun around and fell reminded me of this...

He has won half dozen Emmys?!!!! I didn't know this! WOOOW.  He deserves them. 

I just asked AI (Bing CoPilot) who/how many & they say he only won 5. Of course, they can be wrong. Here's their full reply:

The top Daytime Emmy winners include:

Anthony Geary: He holds the record for the most Daytime Emmy wins by an actor, with 8 awards for his role as Luke Spencer on General Hospital2.

Erika Slezak: She has won 6 Daytime Emmys, all for her portrayal of Victoria Lord on One Life to Live.

David Canary: He earned 5 Daytime Emmys for his dual roles as Adam and Stuart Chandler on All My Children.

Susan Flannery: Known for her role as Stephanie Forrester on The Bold and the Beautiful, she has won 4 Daytime Emmys.

Me again. I know Slezak is correct. Have to poke around to see if any other source says Canary also had 6. 

 

24 minutes ago, Maxim said:

That is something we agree on. The entire thing started off like a future-stalker situation... then it grew to Erica wanting to visit that circus every day (because she felt it was "wonderful and magical")... then feeling drawn to the clown who enticed her with his "performance"... So I should believe that Erica Kane - this glamorous millionaire socialite will go back and back to a low-budget circus... to see a "clown" and even run to catch him in the dressing room. And even after they saw his clippings and creepy photos of her... she was still pro-Barney. Don't even start me on the way she "fell" and lost consciousness... so that Barney can save her life. That was sooooooo fake. At least they could have written that something fell and hit her head... the way she spun around and fell reminded me of this...

He has won half dozen Emmys?!!!! I didn't know this! WOOOW.  He deserves them. 

BTW, has he started with the small Costume detail that was considered the tell that it was Stuart? Stuart has his shirt collar flipped; Adam never has it. 

 

44 minutes ago, Contessa Donatella said:

BTW, has he started with the small Costume detail that was considered the tell that it was Stuart? Stuart has his shirt collar flipped; Adam never has it. 

No... I think it's coming though... But Dixie does sing like crazy to her child. I remember you giving me a trailer that she will... And she sings so well. They are so cute and lovely... I can't imagine anyone wanting to destroy that... (Adam). Sicko. I hope Tad rescues her. And I hope Adam loses custody of Adam 2. ❤️

1 minute ago, Maxim said:

No... I think it's coming though... But Dixie does sing like crazy to her child. I remember you giving me a trailer that she will... And she sings so well. They are so cute and lovely... I can't imagine anyone wanting to destroy that... (Adam). Sicko. I hope Tad rescues her. And I hope Adam loses custody of Adam 2. ❤️

Yea, Dixie's singing & to her son!!! Is it "You are my sunshine" or other songs? 

Just now, Contessa Donatella said:

Yea, Dixie's singing & to her son!!! Is it "You are my sunshine" or other songs? 

Other songs... I think. I think one time You are my sunshine... and I think she sang that to his face in the TV while he was kidnapped and Karen had send a video of him to show he's alive. I may be mistaken. But her voice is lovely. I rarely see a character be so sweet to her child. I think that's good in terms of writing... because it wouldn't be so powerful with now... Adam wanting to ruin that.

I hate him and I love to hate him. I've never seen such a despicable human being in all fiction. 

3 minutes ago, Maxim said:

Other songs... I think. I think one time You are my sunshine... and I think she sang that to his face in the TV while he was kidnapped and Karen had send a video of him to show he's alive. I may be mistaken. But her voice is lovely. I rarely see a character be so sweet to her child. I think that's good in terms of writing... because it wouldn't be so powerful with now... Adam wanting to ruin that.

I hate him and I love to hate him. I've never seen such a despicable human being in all fiction. 

And, Stuart is 180° polar opposite, never would you meet a sweeter, nicer man!!!  David Canary had a dream gig!!! 

1 hour ago, alwaysAMC said:

LOL -  I do get the smug, judgmental that you're referring to.  She earned her tougher exterior though.  

Ohh I'd love to see that smackdown with Gloria.  I don't remember that specific scene.

No she didn't.

She acts as if she's above everyone.. yet is the biggest whore there is.   After going after Erica's seconds.. and then stealing Janet's man Pierce (I was rooting for Janet to dispose of her).

1 hour ago, alwaysAMC said:

Yep (well, close)!  He won 5 times and was nominated 16 times!    Well-deserved.

Darn, I thought, ... well, it doesn't matter. 5 is plenty. 

34 minutes ago, Maxim said:

No... I think it's coming though... But Dixie does sing like crazy to her child. I remember you giving me a trailer that she will... And she sings so well. They are so cute and lovely... I can't imagine anyone wanting to destroy that... (Adam). Sicko. I hope Tad rescues her. And I hope Adam loses custody of Adam 2. ❤️

"You are my sunshine..." one of the most touching scenes ever!   

6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think Cliff/Angie didn't work for two reasons.... Racism and the fact that they were part of two very popular super couples that had recently ended.

Even if Cliff/Angie were of the same race... fans still wouldn't have accepted them as a couple because in their minds, Cliff belongs with Nina and Angie belongs with Jesse. 

Sometime soap fans can be a tad too crazy and in need of some kind of intervention.. and are part of the reason why soaps began their decline because of their refusal to allow characters to progress/stories to evolve.

Cliff and Nina had been split multiple times and this last time had been over a year and a half, so I think viewers might have been willing to see him move on...beyond the racism, I do wonder if they thought it was too soon for Angie. Jesse had only been dead about six months, hadn't he?

And then the story where Debbi decided to leave (I'm not sure if she left because of the story - probably not) was a love triangle involving her mother, which no one was asking for.

I guess Debbi may have left anyway if they had not given her proper story, but it's a shame they couldn't find a way to have her in major story without focus on her love life. She was a widowed mother, a doctor...plenty of possibilities.

10 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think Cliff/Angie didn't work for two reasons.... Racism and the fact that they were part of two very popular super couples that had recently ended.

Even if Cliff/Angie were of the same race... fans still wouldn't have accepted them as a couple because in their minds, Cliff belongs with Nina and Angie belongs with Jesse. 

Sometime soap fans can be a tad too crazy and in need of some kind of intervention.. and are part of the reason why soaps began their decline because of their refusal to allow characters to progress/stories to evolve.

💯 I wholeheartedly agree. I said it myself for many years. 

9 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I think the Marissa story could have ended with her dying trying to save David's life.. and that could have been the fuel to make David push away Lanie and Jeremy because of the intense guilt he feels for his mom's death.  It would have made that story end a bit differently then the Silver storyline.

@Maxim This move by Erica in 1989 is in character because one of the driving forces in Erica's life was her father and his abandonment of her.  She always was waiting for him to come back for her, and she blamed Mona for driving her father away and keeping him away.   So this news of her father possibly being alive reignites a long buried hope that she could find him and have him finally love her.   Mona and Jack know better then to prevent Erica from trying to find him.

The whole Adam gaslighting Dixie story is a classic gothic story and it works very well because it is in Adam's character to pull something like that on one of his wives.  He uses different tactics based on the personality of his current wife.  And I think the story also works as sort of karma for Dixie after being the other woman during his marriage to Brooke.   The story works because it's rooted in character.

Although I never liked Brooke.. and I always was team Erica anytime Brooke and Erica would spar.

Also, I know you loved Karen... but I think the reason she was made the kidnapper was because the actress wanted to leave the show.  There's an interview with Ellen Wheeler that stated her reason for wanting to leave the show after playing Karen a short time.

Yeah, the Adam gaslighting Dixon storyline was top-tier storytelling. I'm a huge Brooke fan and it is in my top 5 best AMC storylines Ever!

 

sidebar: I believe every word in Megan’s book. Half of the things in there have already been confirmed; stuff like Kate/James' onset drama was being talked about on boards 2 decades ago. That's all.