Debbi does NOT age.

Debbi just has my heart, plain and simple. Honestly, I don't think there's anything Angie could do that could make me quit her. My love is Diane on What's Happening!! old.

Jake=Chewbacca

RPG DOES look Wookieish with stubble.

Damons ADHD....even though the dialogue get's really pathetic sometimes, I think AMC is handling it pretty well, in the sense that Damon really can't pay attention to anything at all! When Colby was tutoring him with the basic math, the way he was acting reminded me of this kid in a few of my classes, who pretty much everyone knows has ADHD also, and every time the teacher is talking about something, he always zones into it. For example, when Colby was telling Damon that really weird word problem, something about a girl named Yolanda moving to a new house and having 30 boxes weighing at 20 pounds each, and her car can hold 700 pounds or something, and all Damon was talking about was what kind of car was it? And how she got each box to weigh 20 pounds? LOL, totally ignoring the problem and talking about the context instead. I thought that was great and really interesting to watch, it seems as though AMC is doing their research on this. I like Colby and Damon together, and that was sweet how he wrote her a song.

She comes across very likable and sells moral superiority without being annoying. In an Angie/David rivalry, I would be rooting for Angie. But when they bring in Jake, Tad and Ryan to back her up, I have to go over to David's side. Simply because those people cannot convince me that they are any better than David or that they have a strong conscience like Angie. They only think they're better than David, Angie really is. The rest of them are just a bunch of self rightous pr!cks.

Yeah I totally see what you are saying with this. I feel the same way, to. I also don't like when Frankie is just thrown into the mix, like last week. He came out of nowhere and started stirring the pot with David, to. Please.

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How weird was it on Y & R Wednesday to see Binks, Richie, Fake Patty, Cliff, all former AMC'ers in the Abbot living room.

Angela riding her high horse is only going to make her fall down harder after David gets done with her.

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Colby/Damon works for me, but then again, so did Colby/Sean and that did not last. We'll see. Tad vs. Mr. Hilary was all right, too, I guess. MEK is looking pretty good these days.

Jake, I can slap senseless. Poor Amanda has no clue what drama is ahead of her...I hope AmandaFan does something horrible to her husband. And good Lord, Jesse is just full of piss and vinegar for no reason now. Why was he such a bitch to the cop downstairs on the phone?

Colby/Damon work for me, too. I just hope the current Colby gets some acting lessons (and not from Darnell).

I am sooo looking forward to what AmandaFan has planned for Jake!

She comes across very likable and sells moral superiority without being annoying. In an Angie/David rivalry, I would be rooting for Angie. But when they bring in Jake, Tad and Ryan to back her up, I have to go over to David's side. Simply because those people cannot convince me that they are any better than David or that they have a strong conscience like Angie. They only think they're better than David, Angie really is. The rest of them are just a bunch of self rightous pr!cks.

Get out of my head, Sookie!

So many of these rivalries make perfect sense: Angie/David, Angie/Liza, Jesse/Liza, Jake/David, Liza/Tad They work because there are perfectly legitimate reasons for these characters to hate each other. In the case of the Hubbards v. Liza, its the kind of good solid historical reasons that feed soap battles for years. But it all falls apart if you try to position it as an epic battle between the forces of GOOD and EVIL Like Tad is Obi-Wan and David is Darth Vader because TAD BURIED A MAN ALIVE! Yes people we still remember. They need to concentrate on why these particular characters hate each other and keep the story focused.

That's been the problem with the past few headwriting regimes. I'm so sick of being told who the "good" guys and "bad" guys are. It's gotten better with Broderick and I hope the new headwriters give us more gray areas (good people doing the wrong thing for what they think is the right reason and villains with a conscience who occasionally help others), which imo makes for more compelling storytelling.

Angela riding her high horse is only going to make her fall down harder after David gets done with her.

Oh, please. That's no high horse. She's riding a pony. Angie ANGELA's just frontin' like she's on a high horse because she's paranoid due to her guilty conscience, that's all it is. Dr. Step Sister has been pulling stunts and shows all the while. Covering for Frankie... Resorting to blackmail to avoid the strike... Now this. She knows full well she did some underhanded sh to get David's license revoked. She admitted it. But then, she tried to justify it with "since David plays dirty, I have to play dirty, too." Then, HELLO! How the hell can you expect me to believe you're the clean one when both ya damn asses is rollin' around in the mud?

That's why I'm diggin' Liza right now. Angie ANGELA's trying step to her like she has room to judge. Liza even marveled at ANGELA judging her. This is vintage 1995 Liza.

Colby/Damon work for me, That's been the problem with the past few headwriting regimes. I'm so sick of being told who the "good" guys and "bad" guys are. It's gotten better with Broderick and I hope the new headwriters give us more gray areas (good people doing the wrong thing for what they think is the right reason and villains with a conscience who occasionally help others), which imo makes for more compelling storytelling.

That's not just a problem with writers.

It's a problem with fans too.

Certain fans latch onto certain "gray" characters & rationalize EVERYTHING they do.

"Gray" characters do HORRIBLE things but are excused by TPTB & fans by ruining other characters in desperate attempts to justify the "gray" characters completely unearned smugness & "moral superiority".

Oh, please. That's no high horse. She's riding a pony. Angie ANGELA's just frontin' like she's on a high horse because she's paranoid due to her guilty conscience, that's all it is. Dr. Step Sister has been pulling stunts and shows all the while. Covering for Frankie... Resorting to blackmail to avoid the strike... Now this. She knows full well she did some underhanded sh to get David's license revoked. She admitted it. But then, she tried to justify it with "since David plays dirty, I have to play dirty, too." Then, HELLO! How the hell can you expect me to believe you're the clean one when both ya damn asses is rollin' around in the mud?

That's why I'm diggin' Liza right now. Angie ANGELA's trying step to her like she has room to judge. Liza even marveled at ANGELA judging her. This is vintage 1995 Liza.

Let's be real. Nothing Angie has done comes close to some of the things David has done. Angie isn't a Saint, but she doesn't go out of her way to control people and hurt them out of ego and obsession. I've lost count of the number of people he's drugged and manipulated. But ultimately, none of that matters to me. I care about what entertains me and both David and Angela do. David's wrong doing makes the show more interesting to me. I love seeing him go on the war path and then getting as good as he gives from people like Erica and Angie. Jake and Ryan don't entertain me and on top of that they are hypocrites and that's why I'll always be on David's side over them, even when David does whatever crazy thing he's going to do to keep Ryan and Greenlee apart. David doesn't have to be right or justified to be a character that's much more fun to watch than Jake and Ryan.

That's not just a problem with writers.

It's a problem with fans too.

Certain fans latch onto certain "gray" characters & rationalize EVERYTHING they do.

"Gray" characters do HORRIBLE things but are excused by TPTB & fans by ruining other characters in desperate attempts to justify the "gray" characters completely unearned smugness & "moral superiority".

You're missing my point completely. "Gray" characters do horrible things and feel guilty for it. They don't go around acting smug or morally superior. That's the bad writing I was complaining about that's been changing lately on AMC at least.

You're missing my point completely.

No. I'm not.

"Gray" characters do horrible things and feel guilty for it.

Not for a LONG time in Daytime.

The days of Asa Buchanans, Edward Quartermaines & Adam Chandlers is over.

They don't go around acting smug or morally superior.

CLASSIC "gray" characters didn't.

Current "gray" characters most certainly do.

Care to give examples to help the discussion... or are you too busy driving the bus?