I think it makes the show less willing to write them with moments that take away from the popular fan characterization of them.

This week's writing for Jaime seems to disprove your theory. If he was not a fan favorite the scene with Cersei would not be inspiring columns on so many major media websites.

I think this is mostly an example of a casualty due to the differences between the two mediums of books & TV. Because of the seasonal aspect of the TV show, a character who pretty much does very little from episodes 2-7 is clearly going to be considered stuck/stalling/even boring. Meanwhile, in the book, it can be over 300 pages since we last saw the character and it's absolutely fine because space & time works differently (if that makes any sense). However, what's the show to do? No choice but to create some extra scenes and/or wait until the various plot developments align themselves.

I shudder to think what this means for Dany. 27 more seasons? No problem, 27 more cities to free.

This week's writing for Jaime seems to disprove your theory. If he was not a fan favorite the scene with Cersei would not be inspiring columns on so many major media websites.

I have a feeling they had no idea that moment would be seen that way in fandom. NCW seems to have had an inkling, but the director, not so much. I think they thought the scene would be interpreted as just a last gasp of twisted love between Cersei and Jaime.

I wish they'd have more of Loras with his sister and grandmother or with the knights, beyond just being the gay guy.

I know this is how Oberyn is written in the books too, and it's nice that he seems to have some sort of honor and isn't on there to be a villain, but he reminds me so much of some lewd 70's movie character who hits on all the wives in the neighborhood and then, wink wink, might want to hit on some husbands too. Bisexuality is a lurid tease in the writing for him. Instead of his just being a guy who is bisexual.

Again I know this isn't in the books so I can't criticize the show for it, but I would have been so happy if someone like Jon Snow had been bisexual - that would have been something different, especially since, other than his love for Ygritte, most of his stories aren't about his sexuality.

Agreed, they're definitely teasing us with it. Then again, theoretically, that would make it more exciting when/if something happens with Loras (who is never going to be anything but a C character, given the insane amount of people on the show lol ... but you never know, they drop like flies).

Oh my, why did you have to plant the idea of bisexual Jon in my head? Now I'm gonna wish for it every time I see him. lmao

I don't envy the show that. I know they got a lot of hate for their Dany story in season 2 (other than the House of the Undying being some type of casual stroll, I didn't mind her story in that season) because they had to make most of it up. I guess I wish they would either show the character (Tyrion) less, or expand his character and relationships as much as they can within the confines of the books.

It's definitely a precarious situation they're in. They are damned if they do, damned if they don't. Outcry! and Outrage! if Tyrion hasn't been shown for five episodes, but the more stuff they make up, the more they get yelled at for it... usually. And how much can you expand when your cast makes GH's cast list look small?

(As for Dany, season 2 is my least favorite season of hers but I also liked it regardless).

I shudder to think what this means for Dany. 27 more seasons? No problem, 27 more cities to free.

LOL Dany's story is especially un-TV friendly. It's all about her learning to lead and to use/gain power while her dragons grow. Hard stuff to make into TV (and yet I think they've been 99% successful at it).

I have a feeling they had no idea that moment would be seen that way in fandom. NCW seems to have had an inkling, but the director, not so much. I think they thought the scene would be interpreted as just a last gasp of twisted love between Cersei and Jaime.

I will say this -- no matter what the intentions of cast and crew were, their public relations should have been smart enough to tell them not to ever, ever, enter into a conversation/explanation of the scene beyond some pre-arranged, generic response that left the rest on the audience's judgment. They messed up BIG time by 1) talking about it and 2) not having a common message/response across the board. PR 101.

I think Oberyn's been shown more with the men - specifically, Olyver - than any women, other than Ellaria Sand who is his longtime partner. If anything they've amped up the fact that he is into men at least as much as women, it's not some winking sideline where he throws the dudes a bone (literally, I'm here all week!). I think it's a functional character because whatever he gets up to in the bedroom, however stunning a man he is (and God, he is stunning) I think his real motive and story function is clearly his vendetta against the Lannisters.

I don't really care what they do or don't do with Loras, because since the beginning he has been a supporting character at best, and it was long ago established that the males in House Tyrell are the pawns of the women. It was clear both he and ultimately Renly turned out to be out of their depth. I enjoy him but I don't think he's there to be gay so much as he is there to be another example of the deconstruction of the shining knight - in that not only is he not there for the damsels (like Sansa's adolescent crush in Season 1) but he's also just a cog in the wheels for Olenna, Tywin, etc.

I don't think Tyrion was overexposed in Season 3 or anything. He had a lot less to do, frankly, and I remember people saying he was underused. I thought they were treading water with him until he wed Sansa, and I think they had to do some of the same with Daenerys, Bran, etc. at times in Season 3. It looks like Bran's story is starting to pick up, though.

And speaking of gay or bi Starks, I think if it's anyone it'll be Bran with Jojen Reed in about five or ten years. I dunno, man, I know there's probably nothing to it but I swear they look at each other the way I used to look at Rider Strong on Boy Meets World.

Edited April 26, 201411 yr by Vee

LOL Dany's story is especially un-TV friendly. It's all about her learning to lead and to use/gain power while her dragons grow. Hard stuff to make into TV (and yet I think they've been 99% successful at it).

I agree that her story doesn't lend itself to TV. I do like it that they're showing that she's crafty. I don't think Tywin would be able to out maneuver her the way he did Robb. It would be interesting to see Dany and the Lannisters at war.

I think with Loras, they didn't want to make the main gay character celibate (after Renly dies) like he is in the books. I can understand that, but I also wish we saw him more with his family.

LMAO at Vee.

I always thought Jon Snow would end up being gay in the books but I don't think that's gonna happen

GRRM interview.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/george-r-r-martin-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140423

The guy who plays Jaime's thoughts on the scene don't help matters at all smdh.....

I honestly forgot about the scene until I logged on here. I was much more appalled that people in the town were dumb enough to think Tyrion would kill the king on his wedding day in front of everyone.

I honestly forgot about the scene until I logged on here. I was much more appalled that people in the town were dumb enough to think Tyrion would kill the king on his wedding day in front of everyone.

I agree.

The original script from the Jaime/Cersei scenes has supposedly be uncovered, and it shows it was originally much different and more detailed than what aired.

http://fansided.com/2014/04/24/game-thrones-season-4-script-controversial-jaime-cersei-scene/#!FM2kW

Perfect.

I honestly forgot about the scene until I logged on here. I was much more appalled that people in the town were dumb enough to think Tyrion would kill the king on his wedding day in front of everyone.

We don't really know how many people truly believe it. I bet Tywin doesn't. Actually, I bet a lot of people don't, but they aren't going to go against Cersei.

I doubt most of them care whether Tyrion lives or dies. They just don't want to be involved in it.

I doubt most of them care whether Tyrion lives or dies. They just don't want to be involved in it.

I agree. I do think Cersei believes it though. She's never been able to see Tyrion clearly.

I agree with you. And in her defense, Tyrion has said many times that he will make her pay. But he's not a stupid guy. He wouldn't do it like that. I think she's just blinded by her grief and her ever-increasing mania. I don't think it helps that she truly believes he killed their mother and he was born to be some sort of curse on the family.

I always wish we could see some flashbacks of the mother. She must have been special for Tywin to love her, as he doesn't love anyone, ever.

Edited April 24, 201411 yr by DRW50