I didn't mean they'd had a big increase, but they went up last week and this week. I know it won't continue, I was just remembering GL's cancelation, and their ratings started another drop right after the news hit. I'm not sure if that's happened with ATWT yet. I guess we'll see for sure next week.

I don't know. I find it difficult to believe that: (1) the rise will continue; (2) that they'll manage if not to rise than to stabilise the ratings. These are just your classic ratings oscillations.

Not to stereotype women, but I'm not sure how many of the OLTL stories, which involve a lot of violence, death, horror, and repulsive leading men, would appeal to the 18-49 demo. The Tarty "love story" had some weird form of romance which I guess might have helped the numbers around this time last year, but there isn't a story like that now.

Weren't they doing well in the 12-17 demo earlier this year, or last year? How is that compared to now?

For the week December 8-12 OLTL had 20,000 viewers in that group (down 14,000 from the prior week, but gaining 8,000 from the previous year).

GH is spinning its wheels. It can't get those demos up. Eh, they get what they deserve.

Do they really care if they're third?

Even though I'm not a fan anymore, it's great to see DAYS rebound.

A move to another network would probably kill the show, but I'm still not convinced CBS(or ABC for that matter) aren't ready to bid for it. Even IF NBC would want to keep the show on the network, SONY may think the show has longer-term viability(even five more years) grouped with a lineup that isn't surrounded by syndicated programming.

If CBS acquired DAYS, they'd have the three highest rated soaps on the air. And if ABC acquired DAYS, DAYS would essentially be the network's highest rated show. And even though it wouldn't be ABC-owned, if they moved AMC to OLTL's timeslot and lead off with DAYS at noon, heavily promoting the show moving to ABC, DAYS viewers might spill over to watch AMC and GH.

I still don't believe for a second DAYS will stay on NBC past September 2010.

Edited December 18, 200915 yr by bellcurve

OLTL is a goner. That 0.9 really hurts. It was obvious when AMC moved to the west coast. I'm a OLTL fan but I'm not fooling myself - OLTL is next to go.

It looks that way. If OLTL does know move into the new studios, it is a definite goner.

Good for DAYS. That people came back shows there's a lot of brand and reputation being built up again, which is what they need.

Even though I'm not a fan anymore, it's great to see DAYS rebound.

So you two aren't fans of Tomlin's version of DOOL?

Do they really care if they're third?

ABC cares because their advertisers care that GH's 18 to 49 women demos are down from last year and are steadily, albeit slowly declining. Think about how much money ABC put out to promote Franco's stint. The executives above and including Frons cannot be happy that the demos have not gone up.

Edited December 18, 200915 yr by Ann_SS

Even though I'm not a fan anymore, it's great to see DAYS rebound.

A move to another network would probably kill the show, but I'm still not convinced CBS(or ABC for that matter) aren't ready to bid for it. Even IF NBC would want to keep the show on the network, SONY may think the show has longer-term viability(even five more years) grouped with a lineup that isn't surrounded by syndicated programming.

If CBS acquired DAYS, they'd have the three highest rated soaps on the air. And if ABC acquired DAYS, DAYS would essentially be the network's highest rated show. And even though it wouldn't be ABC-owned, if they moved AMC to OLTL's timeslot and lead off with DAYS at noon, heavily promoting the show moving to ABC, DAYS viewers might spill over to watch AMC and GH.

I still don't believe for a second DAYS will stay on NBC past September 2010.

If NBC does get rid of DAYS, and no one else picks it up, and the ratings are still solid, or building, then that will probably send the soaps into their graves more than anything else, because it will just tell them that even if your show drastically cuts budget and improves the numbers, it's still not good enough.

It looks that way. If OLTL does know move into the new studios, it is a definite goner.

Yeah and Brian Frons is a liar for saying that he is not getting rid of his soaps.

So you two aren't fans of Tomlin's version of DOOL?

I generally enjoy the show. It's not perfect but it's good solid soap, and they've made a lot of smart moves over the past year.

It looks that way. If OLTL does know move into the new studios, it is a definite goner.

I really believe Frons decided not to move OLTL to AMC's studios and not air the show in HD is because he's thinking of canceling OLTL really soon. There's just no point in spending all that money when you know there's just no point to it.

Think about how much money ABC put out to promote Franco's stint. The executives above and including Frons cannot be happy that the demos have not gone up.

Agreed. I wonder how much money ABC wasted on promoting Franco - I bet it was a lot!

IMO OLTL's loss too much of Dani story which IMO is not involving viewers. She is a newbie thrown into the fire and looks overwhelmed. I am not overly impressed by the actress and I think people just were not invested enough with the Dani character to care about the hostage stuff. The rapemance was a SUCCESS FOR RC. If you look at ratings archive, OLTL was over 2.0 practically all of Nov/Dec. The rapemance reveal episode had over 3 million and a 2.4, it was great numbers. Right now I think is the lack of interest in Dani story.

The actress is OK, I guess, but her character is a big rewrite of history, and the younger fans, who may not mind, may have been put off at how she was immediately pushed at Matthew, making Destiny an afterthought. They might be more likely to identify with Destiny than with the sainted daughter of the great Todd and Tea. Tea has also lost most of what made her entertaining earlier this year, the relationship with Todd has lost a lot of spark, and the whole butchery of Ross was very heavy-handed.

I really believe Frons decided not to move OLTL to AMC's studios and not air the show in HD is because he's thinking of canceling OLTL really soon. There's just no point in spending all that money when you know there's just no point to it.

I think so too.

So you two aren't fans of Tomlin's version of DOOL?

Boring as hell. I haven't seen Vivian's return, but the show is just so bloody boring.

DAYS was the first soap I ever watched on a regular basis(Reilly Era I). But I just can't get into DAYS now. I was excited when I heard Tomlin would come on as EP because I know his penchant for good, trashy stories(SUNSET BEACH, OLTL). But everything is just so flat and uninteresting.

But if it works for their fans, I say stick with it.

I really believe Frons decided not to move OLTL to AMC's studios and not air the show in HD is because he's thinking of canceling OLTL really soon. There's just no point in spending all that money when you know there's just no point to it.

ITA. I read somewhere that OLTL's move to the new studios was only postponed until January, but if does not happen then, it is unlikely to be happening at all. The decision not to go to HD was a huge hint that ABC was considering cancelling OLTL. HD means investment in new sets and refurbishing old sets. I hope that OLTL has a couple more years, but a constant .9 18 to 49 women demo took out GL and then ATWT.

Agreed. I wonder how much money ABC wasted on promoting Franco - I bet it was a lot!

It had to be a bundle. They advertised in People magazine and on prime time on several cable networks not just SoapNet. The ABC network executive who approved the spending that money has got to be royally pissed off. James Franco premiered the last week of sweeps and the 18 to 49 women demo went down .2 and hasn't gone up since.

IMO OLTL's loss too much of Dani story which IMO is not involving viewers. She is a newbie thrown into the fire and looks overwhelmed. I am not overly impressed by the actress and I think people just were not invested enough with the Dani character to care about the hostage stuff. The rapemance was a SUCCESS FOR RC. If you look at ratings archive, OLTL was over 2.0 practically all of Nov/Dec. The rapemance reveal episode had over 3 million and a 2.4, it was great numbers. Right now I think is the lack of interest in Dani story.

Agreed. The focus on Dani and the build up of this storyline was pretty bad. Even though a lot of people didn't like the Todd/Marty storyline, I personally enjoyed it because of the slow build up (it started in June and ended in Nov - 6 month arc), the anticipation of the reveal. It's such a basic soap opera structure, which helped DAYS in 2009, I just can't believe more soaps don't do these slow burn stories, building up the anticipation of a big reveal. It's soap opera 101. LOL

If NBC does get rid of DAYS, and no one else picks it up, and the ratings are still solid, or building, then that will probably send the soaps into their graves more than anything else, because it will just tell them that even if your show drastically cuts budget and improves the numbers, it's still not good enough.

Let me clarify...I don't think NBC will get "rid" of DAYS. But after 2010, the show is a free agent via SONY. NBC, ABC, CBS. And I don't think NBC would fight hard enough to keep DAYS on their lineup.