It makes me uncomfortable (just me...not judging you!) this language of "crawling back". It all seems so inhumane. Where is the sense that these are employees who have brought great value to the organization. We can take some kind of a proletariat view of "how dare he complain about making only $1 million/year?"...but a 33% pay reduction is a significant one.

Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word. This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your indoctrination into the culture of celebrity, the new opiate, that allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know to be far more representative of the proletariat. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

Edited October 24, 200916 yr by Ann_SS

Oh please. Don't throw your proletariat BS at me. What country do you live in? This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your blind indoctrination into the culture of celebrity allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know way more embarrassing. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

I'm not so sure and I think if Sony were that sure they wouldn't be paying him his 1 million dollars or whatever it is. On the other hand, a small part of me wanted to find out if Y&R would have been fine without him. I was hoping it would be whenwe got the news he was out. Victor goes back and forth between being a love to hate character for me and I a character I just simply hate. After this Colleen business, I'm on the side of hate. But the show and all the characters still revolve around Victor. He is at the center of nearly everyone's motivations. If they ever do want to kill the king, they really need to recenter this show first, imo.

Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word.

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words? Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

I think, for Adam, there are several reasons I'm so forgiving. First, he's Hope's son. Second, he really got a bum deal when he came to Genoa City...he didn't need that family, but they have destroyed him. Third, while he has been bad, some of his worst acts were reckless--not intentional. Fourth, some of the bad things he has done (like stealing Sharon's baby) came from a sick place of good intentions (making it up to Ashley). Fifth, they've tried to show us he has a soul. Sixth, they didn't play his "turn to the dark side" (in prison--he was off canvas for a bit), so we don't fully know his motivations. Seventh, I have a mental backstory for him that helps to explain why he is the way he is. Eight, I have wanted to get to "know" Victor Jr. since Hope first got pregnant. I don't want these writing errors to cheat us out of that.

As long as this actor is in the role I can't have any sympathy for Adam. He's just cold and has no connection with scene partners.

I think everything he did was intentional. He knew Ashley was in danger of losing her child. He knew what he was doing with Rafe. He knew he was going to steal the baby.

OMG, LMAO!!

If the Newman clan is dead-eyed, what about Billy Abbott (your favorite)?

I actually agree with you, though. The relatability of the Newmans has been significantly compromised. This is actually one of the reasons I like Adam a bit...because he shows some sign of soul on occasion. And I do not believe that is all fake on his part.

Billy's eyes also show nothing, beyond occasional hints of madness.

The show really has to try to find a way for their great names of the future to actually develop some chemistry with screen partners. Anyone. I am consistently baffled at how dead a lot of scenes between Adam or Billy and other people are. Billy and Katherine today, it was like they were in a different scene entirely.

I guess Josh Morrow does have chemistry with people. When he tries.

Amelia Heinle...lost cause. But then she's a woman so she doesn't matter to them anyway.

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words?

I have no idea what this means.

Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

I was being sarcastic.

I'm not so sure and I think if Sony were that sure they wouldn't be paying him his 1 million dollars or whatever it is. On the other hand, a small part of me wanted to find out if Y&R would have been fine without him. I was hoping it would be whenwe got the news he was out. Victor goes back and forth between being a love to hate character for me and I a character I just simply hate. After this Colleen business, I'm on the side of hate. But the show and all the characters still revolve around Victor. He is at the center of nearly everyone's motivations. If they ever do want to kill the king, they really need to recenter this show first, imo.

We'll never know, but that was and still is my opinion.

Proletariat? Wow, you know a big word. This is how capitalism works. I was one of the few people sympathizing with the actors having to take a pay cut, but Braeden's ego was f'ing out of control in those interviews where you were cheering him on. I find your indoctrination into the culture of celebrity, the new opiate, that allows you have so much empathy for celebrities you don't know to be far more representative of the proletariat. I hope that you feel this much uncomfortableness when autoworkers and other factory workers would get a pittance compared to Braeden and get strong armed into taking huge pay cuts and fewer benefits.

Oh, Y&R would have been just fine without Braeden.

I'm sorry to have made you defensive, or upset. I didn't use the word to be fancy...it was the only word that came to my mind. Although the opiate follow-up was kind of cool! .

Actually, this very evening, I watched a DVRd copy of The Last Truck, an HBO documentary about the closing of an Ohio GM Truck plant. It was very affecting. Because I actually worked in an auto parts warehouse for a few years, I "knew" those guys and women in some sense. Displacement is a terrible thing.

Braeden has earned MILLIONS (maybe billions) for Sony. But independent of whether he's worth what he's making, the way in which Sony is apparently handling this business sounds truly Dickensian. I don't like it, but I meant what I wrote above--that's just my personal reaction. I truly wasn't judging.

You say this to the person who is continually accused of using "5 dollar" words? Anyway, since when is proletariat a big word? I'm pretty sure we all learned it by the 8th grade.

Well, you all went to better schools than me. I didn't learn it until freshman sociology!

I have no idea what this means.

I suspect she's referring to the time Khan accused me of using too many big words.

Braeden has earned MILLIONS (maybe billions) for Sony. But independent of whether he's worth what he's making, the way in which Sony is apparently handling this business sounds truly Dickensian. I don't like it, but I meant what I wrote above--that's just my personal reaction. I truly wasn't judging.

At first I read that as Dicksonian. I imagined the Sony execs yelling HEIL HITLER!! during the contract negotiations with various stars.

At first I read that as Dicksonian. I imagined the Sony execs yelling HEIL HITLER!! during the contract negotiations with various stars.

Today, when that Restless Style socialite was holding that pooch, I kind of thought--then wished--that that had been Dickson on the cover.

Honestly if an ounce of me care anything or do not care anything for the Newman core family now the only one (w/Victor and Nikki removed) left for me to care about would have been never seen (unless; insert idiotic Sharon/Nick/Phyllis triangle plot driving ridiculous dribble here^) Noah

Here is an article from EW with some quotes from EB.

http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/10/23/eric-braeden-stays-put-on-the-young-and-the-restless/

Allright, y'all can put your chicken suits back in the closet!! I hope this doens't mean bad things for other vets. I picture this show in 10 years with everyone under 50, and 80 year old Victor impregnating women and kicking the asses of men in their 20's.

Allright, y'all can put your chicken suits back in the closet!! I hope this doens't mean bad things for other vets. I picture this show in 10 years with everyone under 50, and 80 year old Victor impregnating women and kicking the asses of men in their 20's.

I don't side with the suits. I understand times are tough and belts need to be tightened, but what they were doing with Braeden and especially Jess Walton and MTS seemed nasty and petty, trying to make an example of people. Y&R's creative situation is such that they cannot afford to be playing these games with such iconic characters as Jill, Victor and Nikki.

That being said, if they had a better writing team in place they MIGHT have been able to make a go out of revamping the show with a renewed focus on Jill, Kay, the Chancellors (not just the kids) AND someone like either William Russ or William Devane, the two actors mentioned as possible "new Victors." Those two men are powerhouses.

I don't side with the suits. I understand times are tough and belts need to be tightened, but what they were doing with Braeden and especially Jess Walton and MTS seemed nasty and petty, trying to make an example of people. Y&R's creative situation is such that they cannot afford to be playing these games with such iconic characters as Jill, Victor and Nikki.

That being said, if they had a better writing team in place they MIGHT have been able to make a go out of revamping the show with a renewed focus on Jill, Kay, the Chancellors (not just the kids) AND someone like either William Russ or William Devane, the two actors mentioned as possible "new Victors." Those two men are powerhouses.

I think so too, but if they ever want to do this now would be the time to bring this character on. Don't wait until EB is out the door again. But I suppose economic factors preclude this to some extent.

If Y&R was smart, they would still bring William Russ and/or William Devane on board as long term characters and rivals to Victor. They would both wipe the floor with Braeden and help phase him out when the time is right.

Edited October 24, 200916 yr by Ann_SS