This is like someone welcoming an L.A. Clippers cheerleader to the game.

Doesn't matter how many are off to the side. It doesn't make the team suck any less.

Brimike just missed my personality, it had nothing to do with the soaps

Somebody else sorely missed around these parts! Great to hear from you again!!!

I can never stay away

It looks like Phyllis is going to be down in story while the actress has her baby.

LMFan is gonna spit nails over another 26 weeks with no Likey story.

But I don't see any Silver Chipmunk/Terroni either...so that's good.

Alas, I don't see any Winters story either.

I don't believe Phyllis will be down in story probably a bit of the opposite. I believe Michelle said the baby comes in December so she might take time off around then..they probably have something planned around that as well. If I am following the 2006 s/l copycat trail LMAO ..I think Likey will be a tad busy too I hope. These couples are a part of THE FOLD now, who knew.

Edited October 14, 200916 yr by JimTolkien

Too many new faces on Y&R. So much disconnection. Where the hell is Rafe? Where are all the gay stoyrylines MAB kep running her yap about? The Son of Victor Newman teabags Rafe and WE NEVER SEE HIM AGAIN!!! Where is the fall out from t hat? Where is the emotional connection? how does Adam feel about sandbagging a man? That story itself could have lasted 26 weeks. I rather see that than Adam play Tom and Jerry with the people in Genoa City.

The last few eps of Y&R have been SO DAMN DEPRESSING. I have to take anti depressants to stomach some of this non sense

You know, as has been said a lot lately, these soaps are an ongoing commitment...and they are, in a strange way, a relationship of trust.

As a corporate entity, Y&R has already seeded a slow growth of mistrust...really since 1998. That accelerated with the past two HW regimes that reached for stories that were -- well -- not so characteristic of Y&R. Actually that's not right. Y&R has always had dark stories and psychos and so forth...but mostly those were driven by outsiders with short times on the show, and they seldom ran multiple dark stories in parallel.

So, I do understand the "hate" in terms of the cumulative mistrust.

For Y&R the important question is whether this fairly abrupt shift that we're all noticing this week will open up an era that rebuilds trust.

Other than LML and her tenure, Y&R has changed the least compared to the soaps. Again, I know they have made mistakes, but I don't think the show has screwed up so much that a non internet fan would even know a difference. Even now, it seems clear to me that the show was trying to entertain. Yes, stories have been depressing and have gone too fast, but I believe the show is taking viewer feedback into consideration and will make changes.

This is like someone welcoming an L.A. Clippers cheerleader to the game.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Well we are trying to make our discontent LOUD so when they read our complaints this b s will never EVER happen again. So keep the complaints coming and nielsen families, stop watching!!

I'd still say LML's Y&R was leaps and bounds better than MAB. I dont think the discontent was ever greater than it is right now for the show. (Maybe towards the end of LML's reign)

but I believe the show is taking viewer feedback into consideration and will make changes.

We can all hope.

But having Maria Arena Bell always stress in her interviews about how her and her Co-HW's have done nothing wrong and that everything that happened these past few months was "by design" doesn't give me much hope. Her blatant egotism and lies over the past few months (like promising some romance, some fun, us seeing lots of characters we hadn't seen in while in front-burner stories, multiple gay stories, more balance etc) were all turning-points for me. I'm not putting myself out there to be lied and manipulated by this writing team again.

As Mark said, you have to earn trust, and right now, many of us have been burnt repeatedly.

Edited October 14, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I really don't understand the Y&R hate. Although some of the stories haven't played out the way I would have liked, I have never doubted the intent of the regime. I don't have any faith in ATWT or AMC, but do believe Y&R realizes they have made some mistakes and wants to rectify them. Things don't change over night. The Adam-Sharon-Nick triangle, and the end of Billy and Mac is a step in the right direction though. ZZZZZ to Cane and Lily, but accept that people like them.

Do we really want to see Nick in another triangle?? The only reason I believe they are going this route is due to Michelle's pregnancy. The Adam/Nick angle would have been great had it been done when Engen arrived in Geona City. Adam is ruined. Who cares about him now. Who cares if he takes on Nick now. I surely dont. Both sons of Victor are losers in my book.

Billy and restless style story sounds blah. When did Billy gets so anti-Newman all of sudden?? But I agree about Cane and Lily....boring city..who gives two f u c k s about them.

I'm neutral right now leaning towards pessimism. Anyway something can be made of these stories but I'm not holding my breath

Billy and restless style story sounds blah. When did Billy gets so anti-Newman all of sudden??

Because Billy Miller is their shiny new toy and the most valuable member of the Abbot family to this regime. Billy has been stretched in some many direction this year, he really could have used some rest. Again, who the hll cares about Restless Sh!t? REALLY?

Yet another story to prove how big Billy's d.ick is and how he's hardcore.

For Y&R the important question is whether this fairly abrupt shift that we're all noticing this week will open up an era that rebuilds trust.

I think they are going to try their damndest to rebuild that trust..albeit they will have a tough road ahead but I am pretty sure they all got bombarded!!

Too many new faces on Y&R. [snip] Where the hell is Rafe? [snip]

LOL! Sorry. Found this humorous. :D (I agree with you, by the way. It cracked me up though.)

Where are all my gays? I was promised a mulitude of gay storylines here on Y&R? This came out of MAB's own funky mouth

Do we really want to see Nick in another triangle?? The only reason I believe they are going this route is due to Michelle's pregnancy. The Adam/Nick angle would have been great had it been done when Engen arrived in Geona City. Adam is ruined. Who cares about him now. Who cares if he takes on Nick now. I surely dont. Both sons of Victor are losers in my book.

Billy and restless style story sounds blah. When did Billy gets so anti-Newman all of sudden?? But I agree about Cane and Lily....boring city..who gives two f u c k s about them.

Nick-Adam had one scene together a few weeks ago, when TGVN was first rushed to hospital I think, where Nick warned Adam to stay away from Newman Enterprises. And Muhney adlibbed, I believe, "or what?"

That was a great, confrontation. Morrow apparently LOVED it, and told Muhney so.

Muhney and Morrow are both athletic dudes with wise-ass senses of humor. Neither of them takes this sh!t seriously, and they sure love the man-brawl scenes. They're pretty evenly matched, I'd say.

So, that sounds fun to me.

I know some folks will never forgive Adam...but I'm more forgiving. Plus, they have gone out of their way to assert that Adam never meant for the baby to die. That went too far.

So, what have we been told/seen lately:

- Adam, in taking his schemes too far, is supposed to be a "chip off the old block" (e.g., the Patty caper). It is true that Victor jailed a man and fed him rats, and lived to be a viable romantic lead. So I do think Adam can get past this.

- On soaps, the formula then is "redemption through love and good deeds". We saw, last week, that Adam is NOT a sociopath. The tears and memories of Hope were explicit signs to us that there is a good man deep in there...but he lost his way.

- Moreover, we were reminded that there are domains in which Adam is competent and skilled (Harvard business school). If he uses those skills for good--does decent work at Newman Enterprises and saves the company--not for one-upmanship, but to "make amends"--that will go a long way toward re-establishing the character in domains OTHER THAN skulking at the ranch

- the baby theft was meant to do two things -- keep Adam out of trouble AND "make amends" to Ashley. Adam genuinely feels he "owed" Ashley that baby. He also knows the unfortunately circumstances of Faith's conception, and I'm sure has convinced himself he's done something "good" for Sharon and Faith too.

- If, now, Adam develops genuine feelings for Sharon...and if he feels growing remorse for what he's done as the relationship develops...that will show us still more potential.

How? Because if he conveys that 'if I had to do it all over again, I wouldn't", the audience will see he's moved on.

I'm not saying it will play this way, but it can.

Some folks will NEVER forgive Adam. (Just as they have never forgiven Gloria or Kevin). So this is a risky strategy. IMO it can work, because Muhney is quite engaging.

Where are all my gays? I was promised a mulitude of gay storylines here on Y&R? This came out of MAB's own funky mouth

Scott Hamner told it (even though MAB later denied it). There are no gays. There will be no gays.

So, I'm over it. It's actually a relief.