10 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

MG actually lit a fire under RR in that one scene they had (not counting the hilarious scene when Alan calls her to tell her about the clone, and she is drunk and tells him to go f*ck himself and his b.s.) so it would have been nice to see Holly buy her way into the Spaulding factory of evil.

I could never understand why it didn't occur to anyone to put Alan and Holly together. They were both Roger's victims, they both went to jail for things connected to Roger, while Roger got off scott free.

Sure, Holly would resent him for not coming forward about Roger being alive. But, hey, that's good conflict.

Like not bringing Dietrich into the story, this was another missed opportunity. 

7 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

I could never understand why it didn't occur to anyone to put Alan and Holly together. They were both Roger's victims, they both went to jail for things connected to Roger, while Roger got off scott free.

Sure, Holly would resent him for not coming forward about Roger being alive. But, hey, that's good conflict.

Like not bringing Dietrich into the story, this was another missed opportunity. 

I know everyone hated the Stalker Storyline, but I think that would have been a great moment to really have Holly define her character and decide that she is NOT going to be the victim anymore (and not a stalker) and after therapy...(off screen of course, sorry Marland) she doffs the suit dresses and walks around more stylish and edgy with her leather coats, (okay I think MG was sexy in her leather) and goes back to that Holly that Pam Long wrote..more ballsy and not worried what people think. I could see that Holly getting with Alan, and Alan vibing on a "bad" girl, only one age appropriate for once. An Alan/Holly/Ed triangle would be interesting, but it would have to be someone other then sourpuss Simon.

52 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

Hmmm. Dietrich Lindsey on the DL....played by someone like Perry King (hubahuba) soaps first gay meglamaniac! ("So Dietrich, just WHAT do you propose I do to pay up that blackmail?")

For some reason, I've always pictured Dietrich Lindsey* as one of three actors: Jack Betts, Keene Curtis, or Charles Keating.  A man who was older than Holly, obviously, who was dashing and very "continental," for lack of a better word.  Just as I've pictured Birgitta Tolksdorf (ex-Arlene, LOL) joining the show as another one of his ex-wives, who has been a thorn in Holly's side for years.

(*Lord, what an awful name.)

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25 minutes ago, Khan said:

For some reason, I've always pictured Dietrich Lindsey* as one of three actors: Jack Betts, Keene Curtis, or Charles Keating.  A man who was older than Holly, obviously, who was dashing and very "continental," for lack of a better word.  Just as I've pictured Birgitta Tolksdorf (ex-Arlene, LOL) joining the show as another one of his ex-wives, who has been a thorn in Holly's side for years.

(*Lord, what an awful name.)

An older guy, that makes sense, but..Perry King....

1 minute ago, Mitch64 said:

but..Perry King....

Why would you inflict that man upon any viewer, lol?

2 hours ago, Khan said:

Why would you inflict that man upon any viewer, lol?

A grudge you surely hold for The Possession of Joel Delaney.

3 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

I could see that Holly getting with Alan, and Alan vibing on a "bad" girl, only one age appropriate for once. An Alan/Holly/Ed triangle would be interesting, but it would have to be someone other then sourpuss Simon.

That sounds amazing.Maybe I would have warmed up to RR if MG had been his leading lady. 

Speaking of sourpuss Simon, how about some thoughts about a recast for Ed? They face planted when they replaced Simon with RVV. You would have thought getting Robert Gentry back would have been a huge success, but that also failed.

I'm kind of blanking out. I have to give it some thought.

2 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

Just as I've pictured Birgitta Tolksdorf (ex-Arlene, LOL) joining the show as another one of his ex-wives, who has been a thorn in Holly's side for years.

I LOVED her when she was on Love of Life. She seemed to disappear after the show was cancelled. Would have been a cool comback for her. I could see her causing lots of havoc.

3 hours ago, Khan said:

Why would you inflict that man upon any viewer, lol?

Ha..I will take older Melrose Place King over Ponytail Keating!!! ( I just remembered isn't there a Will and Grace where Jack goes on a date with King's character, (and of course, Karen THINKS the guys is actually Jack's dad so there is a lot of jokes on "Oh DADDY!")

 

11 minutes ago, DeeVee said:

Speaking of sourpuss Simon, how about some thoughts about a recast for Ed? They face planted when they replaced Simon with RVV. You would have thought getting Robert Gentry back would have been a huge success, but that also failed.

...They should have begged Mart to come back. It was not like they were going to show Ed as some hot active stud...and he and MG had a good chemistry, he looked like he could be MOL's dad and he had a warm dad vibe that could have filled in the Mo..warm center part. 

1 hour ago, DeeVee said:

Speaking of sourpuss Simon, how about some thoughts about a recast for Ed? They face planted when they replaced Simon with RVV. You would have thought getting Robert Gentry back would have been a huge success, but that also failed.

During one of Peter Simon's "breaks" from the show, there were rumors GL was planning to cast Gil Gerard as Ed.  I believe this was around 2000, possibly very late-1990s.  It was definitely during the time Mary Stuart was playing Meta.  

And I think the failure of Robert Gentry's return was because (upon returning) he was not on contract, and so he didn't appear often.  And of course, no storylines were built around him.  Gentry was talented enough to pull it off, but TPTB didn't want to invest in Ed at that time.  And perhaps the writers were not interested in writing for Gentry's version of Ed, which was a bit more intense (without being a sourpuss. LOL).    

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jswift -   I maintain that Holly and India should have started/ran a business together.  With Holly's money and India's ambition, success would have been likely.  Watching those two trade their trademark witticisms and barbs in a very complementary/amiable way would have been great fun for the viewers.  Holly never had a female pal.

Throw Roger, Alan and Dietrich into the mix...the legit storyline possibilities are seemingly endless.  And that's what I like.  Stories that move in unexpected yet very plausible manners.  (I want to be thinking "Holy cow - I never expected that, but what a great idea!!")

 

8 minutes ago, Speed Racer said:

Holly never had a female pal.

Holly and India were coded to be more than just pals.  

But, I like the idea of the pairing as allies, too.

11 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

That would have been great....hell, I would have written RR off as Alan and brought Dietrich on, plus, we could have avoided Fletcher and Holly!

 

Good idea...The could have used Nola and Billy in the search for Vanessa instead of Dinah and &&&& (I LOVE this) Nola and Billy know Van better and have the instincts to get to the bottom. Nola, instead of making her the cynical druge not think Van was alive, could have instictively thought so and shared that with Billy.  Billy should have been the one to find her and try to bring her back..but also let her decide if and when she wants to do so. Van would get him to lie to Nola, cause of her big mouth, and the two of them could have scenes together talking about their past, etc. And how great would it be if &&&& to see that Billy found her and she trusts him more. Maybe he would go back to turning tricks by the docks!

I also wanted a scene where Nola cock blocks Matt and Dinah.. and have a Dinah/Nola argument..."Dinah, with all of my issues with your mother, even at her worst she had more class in her finger then you have in your whole body. Being a slut is all well and good, but chasing after your step father is trailer trash behavior!"

LOL...OMG!!  And imagining them terrorizing Roger to get to the bottom of him seeing Van on her way out of town!  Of course, we couldn't have nice things....*sigh*

Add me to the list of wishing Holly's ex had appeared in town. Springfield could've used a truly charming mover and shaker, as opposed to the endless parade of muscle-bound, idiot mannequins they brought in (usually to service Reva's story.)

6 hours ago, Mitch64 said:

...They should have begged Mart to come back. It was not like they were going to show Ed as some hot active stud...and he and MG had a good chemistry, he looked like he could be MOL's dad and he had a warm dad vibe that could have filled in the Mo..warm center part. 

When I was younger I was not really a fan, but over the years I've come to appreciate him much more. He brought something real to Ed that was missing in other actors. Like you said, a warmth.

4 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

During one of Peter Simon's "breaks" from the show, there were rumors GL was planning to cast Gil Gerard as Ed.  I believe this was around 2000, possibly very late-1990s.  It was definitely during the time Mary Stuart was playing Meta.

That is really interesting, because Gil Gerard is just the sort of actor I thought they should have pursued to play Alan. Someone with a prime time rep, but who wouldn't think soaps were beneath him.

I could see him as Ed. Too bad it didn't work out.

5 hours ago, Tisy-Lish said:

And I think the failure of Robert Gentry's return was because (upon returning) he was not on contract, and so he didn't appear often.  And of course, no storylines were built around him.  Gentry was talented enough to pull it off, but TPTB didn't want to invest in Ed at that time.  And perhaps the writers were not interested in writing for Gentry's version of Ed, which was a bit more intense (without being a sourpuss. LOL).

This is also a bummer. GL really needed writers/a producer invested in bringing the Bauers more into the forefront.

13 hours ago, P.J. said:

LOL...OMG!!  And imagining them terrorizing Roger to get to the bottom of him seeing Van on her way out of town!  Of course, we couldn't have nice things....*sigh*

I loved the way Billy called Roger, "Ole Roj" and since he was the first character Nola interacted with on the show, that would be great..(they could have had her breaking into his penthouse and having to hide as he tries to seduce Amanda and Nola makes faces and comments on his style.) 

We couldn't have nice things as Rauch saw Nola as some bitter hag pining after her husband and living in a Boarding House, the writers had no imagination and really didn't know the characters and ...welll, they were busy thinking of new stupid plots and scenes for Reva..

7 minutes ago, Mitch64 said:

I loved the way Billy called Roger, "Ole Roj" and since he was the first character Nola interacted with on the show, that would be great..(they could have had her breaking into his penthouse and having to hide as he tries to seduce Amanda and Nola makes faces and comments on his style.) 

We couldn't have nice things as Rauch saw Nola as some bitter hag pining after her husband and living in a Boarding House, the writers had no imagination and really didn't know the characters and ...welll, they were busy thinking of new stupid plots and scenes for Reva..

I loved how Billy had "ol' Roj" 's number too. And wasn't afraid to let him know it either. Everyone else in Springfield just steered clear of Roger. If not exactly cowered in fear, then stayed far, far away. 

Other than Chris Bernau's Alan, Billy was Roger's best opponent.