But this goes for both sides. Religion is a very personal thing. Everyone believes Jesus to be one thing or another. If people think he strikes down all of the homosexuals in the world because they are a curse to humanity, then they have a right to.

I don't know a lot of gays who want to stop any portrayal of Christianity from being shown on TV. I do know some Christian groups who get upset and protest any time any portrayal of homosexuality is shown on TV. That's not true for most Christian groups (and many groups who protest gay media portrayals have nothing to do with Christianity), but it's true for some very effective organizations who have managed to make changes in shows because they know how to boycott. This worked very effectively with the whole kissing ban at ATWT until it became such a publicity fiasco that they finally reversed course.

There's still a great deal of inequality in how the media presents homosexuality. I stopped watching most of the news channels a few years back because I got sick of seeing someone allowed to say the most hideous comments linking gays to pedophelia, incest, bestiality, comments no one would be allowed to make on a major platform about any other minority.

So that's why when I see something like the current stories on Y&R, which I think are very poorly told and essentially reinforce negative stereotypes, I feel let down, even though I never had my hopes up in the first place. Soaps are a place where people can see characters they know and love go through events that will cause the viewer to question what they think and what they have been told. Instead, seeing Adam/Rafe, or bitter, petty Phillip, this will probably just cause them to think everything they have felt about gays is true.

I don't think we're supposed to be emotionally invested in anything on this show. All the characters seem so unsympathetic and stupid and their storylines are lacking major substance or are rushed like hell. I find it very hard to care about the characters on this show and their storylines right now. I certainly didn't expect them to tell a "modern gay storyline" the right way, not that I expect that from anyone in daytime.

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

I've got to give it to Daniel and Christel. They're working hard to sell this.

I heard that Chance & Chloe was good tomorrow.

Chance told Chloe he's a virgin. He kissed girls but never went any farther then that. I wonder did his finger roam. Also it might have finally hit Chance what his father had done. He's acting cold.

I've got to give it to Daniel and Christel. They're working hard to sell this.

I'm really like them now. They've been very good the past few weeks.

I've got to give it to Daniel and Christel. They're working hard to sell this.

Too bad both of these characters have been shoved down our throats and have been for months now. While I take nothing away from their acting, it's very hard for me to like either character. Perhaps I would have cared if they were rested for a while and then this storyline came about.

I find it very suspicious just as they were talking about having kids, Lily gets ovarian cancer.

Yeah, like the Billy stuff, Delia/Chole crap, and Phillip III revelation weren't very recent obstacles in this "great love story."

No other couple on this show gets the treatment this paring gets, and I do not get it.

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

No other couple on this show gets the treatment this paring gets, and I do not get it.

I smell "focus groups". And the onslaught of Lane fans on the SONY message boards.

I smell "focus groups". And the onslaught of Lane fans on the SONY message boards.

They obviously weren't swayed by the 3.4 their boring as hell wedding got in the ratings. Nothing this couple has done has shown me they are as popular as the LAME fans make them out to be.

It's time to stop this pandering to fanbases, it's wrecking the show. The flip-flopping quad is of course another fiasco in that vein.

They obviously weren't swayed by the 3.4 their boring as hell wedding got in the ratings. Nothing this couple has done has shown me they are as popular as the LAME fans make them out to be.

It's time to stop this pandering to fanbases, it's wrecking the show. The flip-flopping quad is of course another fiasco in that vein.

But if you have Lame fans tell you. They watch the weddingf on CBS thing.

& Sony site there only like 10 of them. Another fans base have more members then Lame. They can't keep their thread afloat over at Sony.

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by MoTheGreat

But if you have Lame fans tell you. They watch the weddingf on CBS thing.

& Sony site there only like 10 of them. Another fans base have morem embers then Lame. They can never keep their thread afloat over at Sony.

I'm convinced that someone on that writing team or at CBS has a hard-on for this couple and these characters. Which is why they're never rested and their "great love story" is always front and center for the world to see (or be annoyed at).

I'm not doubting they have their fans, but even their fans can surely see that this couple has had too many "obstacles" thrown their way in only under a year, and some resting would help them.

Edited July 23, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

His character already killed a man, so I don't know how much there is to like. They need to cut down on villains.

I wouldn't be suprised if they said he had an accomplice or that Ryder did it.

I was a fan of Sean's on GH and on B&B but I'd rather they not keep Deacon if this is the version of Deacon we are going to get. He didn't operate this way (he was a sleaze but never in the convoluted and frankly silly way he is in this story) and he never cared enough about Amber to justify his current obsession. He would be more likely to see Amber as pathetic, because this is a woman who has gone from having a husband, child, and career to acting like an overgrown teenager, spending all her time wailing and doing capers.

Deacon is bringing Little D to town. I can't imagine Y&R Amber ever taking care of a kid.

Does Lily's cancer storyline remind anyone of Emily's on GH. Didn't Nic's true love cure her cancer or am I thinking of something else?

I wouldn't be suprised if they said he had an accomplice or that Ryder did it.

It was Ryder. He was the masked man that killed Balfour.

I'm sort of glad that Adam didn't completely throw Mary Jane under the bus, though I'm sure it was more self-preservation (She'd have told them Adam was helping her and about the dress). I really like MM in the role. He's so oily and yet quite powerful. Definitely not wet-dream worthy (as Ruxton and all the "gheys" frequently point out...but JM is and he sucks.

Um, I don't think he does.

Deacon - I'm liking him. He's like a 70's blaxpoitation baddie. The vile pimp. And I hope he has a better purpose for setting up Daniel than just trying to boink Amber. I mean, he was in Vegas. There are hookers in Vegas who are hotter than AF - sorry AF, if i ever meet you I'll tell you you're GORGEOUS!

You get him! Yes, he's a gorgeous man under a thick coat of physical and metaphorical slime. How much fun to work and bring out his decency. Honestly, I think this is all about Deacon's son, and his wanting to have a family. On B&B, Stephanie could always shoot Deacon down by commenting on his lack of family. I think this is not Indecent Proposal. I think this is something more relatable. He wants his son to have a family.

JD who plays Chance - I hate his haircut - makes him look heavier than he really is. Haven't they learned their lesson from Mac? Don't have an important character come on completely bland with no emotion and short hair. When will he get his recast-not-working-out-hair-extensions?

Well...the haircut works for the just-back-from-the-front P4. And I saw a Huntington's PSA Driscoll did, and it has already grown out quite a bit. The guy grows hair quickly, so all will be well soon.

Does Lily's cancer storyline remind anyone of Emily's on GH. Didn't Nic's true love cure her cancer or am I thinking of something else?

LOL! It's coming off that way, isn't it? This cancer was such a silly plot point used to bring more conflict to this overexposed pairing.

Today's episode was gush-inducing! I loved every minute of it. but the highlight had to be Victor confronting Adam about being gay. So many of us have commented how they were curious to see how Victor would react to a gay son - and he did it EXACTLY like I envisioned he would. He accepted him, whether liked it, understood it or not.

Lane - Wow! i'm shocked by how much I love this s/l. I still don't think CK is a great, or even good actress - but she sells the perplexed, sorrowful heroine quite well. When i think back - all of the s/l's that CK has ever been good in is when she's been victimized, which is sad. But I have been on the record from day one that Cane is a keeper. An amazing hero, and DG, stripped of all his gloss is a prince! The only downbeat to this story for me is that my dreams of Patty and Cane look dashed - for now. But I can handle it cause....

Patty is SO going to recover and not go to jail! I can see the writing on the wall. Victor is going to go down BIG TIME for bringing a deranged woman to town to destroy Jack. Patty will be the poor crazy woman Victor took advantage of. The Williams' will take care of her. Jack and Paul will probably team up to shield Patty perhaps and ensure Victor goes down. Victor is left alone with only Adam for company. Looks like Victor might wanna go to Mexico again real soon.

Heather - could they make her any more unlikeable? Next we'll find out she's giving everyone parking tickets. I just HATE how deformed the character is. Why is the hottest girl in town in a hopeless, thankless, romance-free relationship? Just giving him the sex and getting nothing in return? And they even threw in a line from her saying she won't go swimming this summer!