I bet the bloodtest will show that te baby is related to Victor and that's all they need.

Oh, why'd you have to go an ruin fall sweeps for me.

Mark - the picture I have in my mind of Patty is Linda Carter in the Exorcist, only without the vomit. I really think she's possessd by her psychological demons, so much so that the "good" part of her feels really guilty. I think there's almost two sides to her. This vulnerable child that we've seen with Victor, Jack and even Paul - and this demonic side that comes out toward Phyllis and Sharon.

The bad part of her justifies her actions by having to break some eggs - the good part of her hugs Victor for dear life cause she's so afraid. She made a card for Summer...She's apologized to her in the hospital room. I think she's shown remorse. But she's losing hr grip on reality. And then there's those pills....

Just as there were clues and hints and subtext about her identity, there is the same for her character and mental state.

I remember seeing Chancellor (at least the CEO office) in the era after Katherine's attempted suicide by jumping off the cruise liner. (What year would this have been? 1980?). Victor Newman agreed to serve as acting CEO, in part to check the uncontrolled power of Derek Thurston. I seem to remember the wall behind the CEO desk being a curtain? I seem to remember it being very dark. I'm sure there were other times we saw Chancellor (e.g., when Rex worked there), but it definitely never had a regular set that we often saw.

I'm enjoying Adam more now than before, and I find myself not remembering Engen at all. It is clear that the acting and writing have shifted a bit...he is now more self-consciously evil. When he does bad things, we see that he wants/plans to do them (e.g., with today's monologue). I do not agree this paints Adam in a corner...indeed, I think it sets up the creative writing challenge to redeem him. Jack and Victor have both been very dastardly--Michael Baldwin too--and all continue to flourish.

Thank you for answering my question! I wasn't expecting such detail.

I don't think they have plans to redeem Adam, and I think the sudden monologues are more about trying to add some type of coherency to a story which many viewers seemed to become very confused by, but we'll see.

lmfan - Actually, I'm not blowing smoke up your ass here - you're totally right. Along with Victoria and JT's absence, Lauren's absence throughout the week has also been noticeable. I let it go the first few days (we all complained about Victor/Nikki not being there, but they showed up on Day Two), but you're right - now it's inexcusable. Lauren ABSOLUTELY should have been there for a scene or two with Phyllis (maybe even Sharon too).

And PAUL!!!

Nikki's fiance, Nick's future stepfather, Victor's long-term friend, Heather's father...heck, even once Phyllis' nemesis. Not having him there to express outrage also blunts the ironic emotional impact that HIS SISTER is the one who caused all this.

I don't see how all these stories are exploding around Paul (Nina's story...she was his ex-wife's BEST FRIEND; Neil's daughter....he was her late husband's BEST FRIEND; Summer's story, for the reasons above), and he is a non-entity. I feel as incensed about Paul's absence as lmfan does about Lauren.

A bit of a twist in the thread....

Adam's line made me giggle: ""Rafe, what I did with you I have never done with anyone before. I thought that what we shared-- you know, you should probably just leave. I mean it. Get out."

OMG!

Adam had a robust sexual life with Skye, Heather, and probably others. So I am hard pressed (no pun intended) to wonder what the writers are intimating here!!

It was a great line...because it just totally opens up prurient speculation without being remotely dirty. I love how the writers are playing with us on this score...

And PAUL!!!

Nikki's fiance, Nick's future stepfather, Victor's long-term friend, Heather's father...heck, even once Phyllis' nemesis. Not having him there to express outrage also blunts the ironic emotional impact that HIS SISTER is the one who caused all this.

I don't see how all these stories are exploding around Paul (Nina's story...she was his ex-wife's BEST FRIEND; Neil's daughter....he was her late husband's BEST FRIEND; Summer's story, for the reasons above), and he is a non-entity. I feel as incensed about Paul's absence as lmfan does about Lauren.

Well - Paul was there two days last week. In fact, he was the one who alerted Nikki to Heather's plans to investigate Phyllis.

That being said - you're right. He is missing from this week's shows. But at least he was involved at SOME point.

Or maybe I'm nuts and this is one of those "making excuses" posts. I can't tell anymore. LOL! But I do think Paul was at least involved in some small way, and with his unfortunate absence, we have gotten very interesting and unique Victor/Nikki scenes in their place.

A bit of a twist in the thread....

Adam's line made me giggle: ""Rafe, what I did with you I have never done with anyone before. I thought that what we shared-- you know, you should probably just leave. I mean it. Get out."

OMG!

Adam had a robust sexual life with Skye, Heather, and probably others. So I am hard pressed (no pun intended) to wonder what the writers are intimating here!!

It was a great line...because it just totally opens up prurient speculation without being remotely dirty. I love how the writers are playing with us on this score...

Apparently, (sorry, Toups! Just give me this one free pass! Just this once and I'll never do it again!) one of the purposes

Colleen will serve when she returns is to be Rafe's talk-to re: Adam. Which I like for a few reasons - 1 ) It gives us some window into Rafe, 2 ) Colleen (if I remember correctly) is the fly in the soup of the Newman board, and if she finds out about Adam/Rafe she could potentially use it as a weapon against Victor to stay on the board in Brad's seat and 3 ) It makes sense for Colleen to be Rafe's talk-to since she was the first who learned he was gay. I can already hear the arguments that a legacy character like Colleen should NEVER serve as merely the person who props up a D-character like Rafe, and I don't disagree. But I do think even a couple scenes of these two would be beneficial at this point in the story.

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Or maybe I'm nuts and this is one of those "making excuses" posts. I can't tell anymore. LOL! But I do think Paul was at least involved in some small way, and with his unfortunate absence, we have gotten very interesting and unique Victor/Nikki scenes in their place.

Maybe you're too easy on this show too .

Imagine, though, as Victor and Nikki had that moment...if Paul had spied it from around the corner. That would have been classic soap .

Again, I really do understand the business aspects, I really do. But I think there is another model...trim your cast to what you can afford, and then play them 4-5 days a week. I'm probably unrealistic.

Ok - i'm done. I am way off topic and big daddy toups is gonna put me over his knee when he sees this thread off topic - so.....

How bout that Rafe and Adam?

Apparently, (sorry, Toups! Just give me this one free pass! Just this once and I'll never do it again!) one of the purposes

Colleen will serve when she returns is to be Rafe's talk-to re: Adam. Which I like for a few reasons - 1 ) It gives us some window into Rafe, 2 ) Colleen (if I remember correctly) is the fly in the soup of the Newman board, and if she finds out about Adam/Rafe she could potentially use it as a weapon against Victor to stay on the board in Brad's seat and 3 ) It makes sense for Colleen to be Rafe's talk-to since she was the first who learned he was gay. I can already hear the arguments that a legacy character like Colleen should NEVER serve as merely the person who props up a D-character like Rafe, and I don't disagree. But I do think even a couple scenes of these two would be beneficial at this point in the story.

Ugh..just this once( ) .... but you can't discuss the spoiler here.

On to today's show, I didn't like how the episode didn't pick up from Tuesdays' cliffhanger of Philip outing himself to Nina. And that story isn't playing in Thursday's US episode either. I hate it when there's no follow up to big tags/cliffhangers.

Toups, so your'e saying that the Phillip/Nina coming out scene has aired? I thought Tuesday's eppy was pre-empted? I sure as hell haven't seen this scene air yet. I just thought Tuesday was pre-empted, and US and canadian eppies were all pushed back a day. I'm confused.

Toups, so your'e saying that the Phillip/Nina coming out scene has aired? I thought Tuesday's eppy was pre-empted? I sure as hell haven't seen this scene air yet. I just thought Tuesday was pre-empted, and US and canadian eppies were all pushed back a day. I'm confused.

Y&R was shown during TPIR timeslot, alphanguy. That's why you missed it. I missed it too but luckly saw it on SoapNet last night.

Ugh..just this once( ) .... but you can't discuss the spoiler here.

On to today's show, I didn't like how the episode didn't pick up from Tuesdays' cliffhanger of Philip outing himself to Nina. And that story isn't playing in Thursday's US episode either. I hate it when there's no follow up to big tags/cliffhangers.

Thanks, Toups! I swear, the spoiler wasn't a "make it or break it" spoiler, and it was connected to the Rafe/Adam discussion. But I promise, it wasn't those "I've ruined the next three months of story" kinda spoilers. And I won't do it again.

Toups, so your'e saying that the Phillip/Nina coming out scene has aired? I thought Tuesday's eppy was pre-empted? I sure as hell haven't seen this scene air yet. I just thought Tuesday was pre-empted, and US and canadian eppies were all pushed back a day. I'm confused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICmR4ZntI8&feature=PlayList&p=3D9B4908889FDD02&index=8

Y&R was shown during TPIR timeslot, alphanguy. That's why you missed it. I missed it too but luckly saw it on SoapNet last night.

Those FU#*ERS! I did see that soapnet had brought back the whole week's worth of eppies on Saturday night, so I can catch it then. You know, the official DAMN SITE said on it's front page that Tuesdays eppy was pre-empted, just in case, I tuned into my CBS affiliate at 11:05 and saw B&B, then 11:30 newscast. It's a hell of an out that they picked TUESDAY'S eppy, when Phillip drops his bomb, to screw around with the time scheduling. Damn these celebrity funerals.