Julia... I don't think Jill is being dumbed down in regards to Victor. In the history of this show, there have been about 3 people who aren't afraid of Victor... Katherine, Jill, and Lorie. Jill is fearless... but I don't think she's dumb, which is why I didn't like the cayaman islands thing.

I think Katherine has the right to feel that way, but do you really believe there is any chance at all that Jill can come out on top at this point in Y&R history? Maybe she isn't afraid, but she sure should be as far as I can see.

I think Katherine has the right to feel that way, but do you really believe there is any chance at all that Jill can come out on top at this point in Y&R history? Maybe she isn't afraid, but she sure should be as far as I can see.

Jill and Victor have great enemy chemistry. I'd like to see them battle again. Once she finds out about MJ - speculation - she will finally have the goods to blackmail Victor - though it's inevitable that he'll crush her. Sigh..

And is it safe to assume that the Gloria/Victor deal is officially off? Meaning she will never get a dime of that money he promised her for the Jabot stock? But then again, Glo should have copy or something of the transaction for further proof that Victor got Ashley the boot from Jabot.

Can this stupid quad ever get a storyline that doesnt involve them going to court or trying to avoid the police?

That would mean TPTB would have to stop propping them.

Jill and Victor have great enemy chemistry. I'd like to see them battle again. Once she finds out about MJ - speculation - she will finally have the goods to blackmail Victor - though it's inevitable that he'll crush her. Sigh..

And is it safe to assume that the Gloria/Victor deal is officially off? Meaning she will never get a dime of that money he promised her for the Jabot stock? But then again, Glo should have copy or something of the transaction for further proof that Victor got Ashley the boot from Jabot.

Exactly. I'd love it for Jill or Jack to come out ahead in a battle with Victor, but really, when was the last time anyone managed that without getting their ass handed to them in short order?

Can anyone get to the main page of the board where all the different sections are listed?

I keep getting this error.....

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While I'm here and there's Jill/Victor discussion......

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Edited June 24, 200916 yr by Rhiannon

So, I just watched the episode online. I'm mostly not interested in Daniel's travails, although Jana's history causing her to lose bail was interesting.

I loved Phyllis calling Nicholas out! She called it, on his constant "running away". I couldn't believe he was planning to lecture Daniel.

I'm trying to figure out Phyl's financial status. She married well -- three times. She also forged a successful career as a web designer. Putting it altogether, she should be loaded, no?

I guess I'm glad that Victoria's ongoing obsession (Heather Tom was introduced obsessing about Victor and Nikki's marriage from her Swiss dorm room, and little blonde Ashley was defending her parents' marriage against wicked witch Ashley) is coming back to the fore (this time, vis-a-vis Sabrina)...and that this is apparently creating cracks in her marriage to JT.

Hey JT! Colleen lives in that big ole' mansion down the street, and I think Mac's gonna be free!

ETA: I guess they got tired of paying "likeness" residuals to Raya Meddine...her picture and her statue disappeared on the same day!

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by MarkH

Rhiannon's embed -

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Cashton I loved that clip so damn much, I was jumping up and down for joy. "It's not a threat... It's my personal guarantee," in her cold whisper. Wow.

Whoa so many GREAT things in Tuesday's episode.

VICTORIA'S crawling out of the shell that was Fauxtoria, y'all. First, she yells at Victor for getting over Sabrina, then nearly shoulder's Ashley out of the way, then stares down JT with a "Don't 'Victoria' me!!"

I see the beginning of a beautiful beautiful renaissance. VICTORIA!!!!!! Like a phoenix rising out of the ashes... Yeah, it's the damn crate that caused it, clearly. There'll bring her to the doctor's and some lousy s/l will be brought from that but if she could remain a HBIC indefinitely after all those doctors test her, I'd love it. At this point, I'm desperate for anything to cause Victoria to be a HBIC again.

I wish I could get a 3 sec clip of EB mouthing: "What?" as AH storms out of the ranch. LOVED THAT!!

And Victor FINALLY getting over Sabrina. I wish they could explain his blindness towards Adam's schemes from either his epilepsy or his depression over losing Sabrina. Now that Victor's shut the door to that chapter, he'll see Adam for who he really is.

I actually enjoying the scoobies a bit today. I like how this is becoming something more serious, even though it's obviously drawn out of a shallow, dull place. Jana denied bail? She's GOT to get that brain tumor buzzing again. Inevitable death at the end of the year? And Daniel out trying to find the guy who's framing him with Amber may lead to something good

I suppose that's where Sean Keanan comes in. <sigh>

Hated hated hated the courtroom scenes. They were incredibly hollow. Vail is really bad as a lawyer. Someone give her another profession. I like her a lot more than Frantz. And she should be in scenes with EH, another buddy buddy duo with EH would be great. Frantz/Ford and Hendrickson/Bloom.

Amelia will NEVER be Victoria.

Never.

Amelia will NEVER be Victoria.

Never.

I agree, she just lacks an added spark or confidence to make that role fully her's. When she's trying to be bitchy or tough, she comes off like a little girl playing dress up.

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by Y&RWorldTurner

Amelia will NEVER be Victoria.

Never.

Victoria left when HT did.

Amelia's playing Wannabebitchtoria(and in a very lazy way).

I did. Twists mustache.

I agree, she just lacks an added spark or confidence to make that role fully her's. When she's trying to be bitchy or tough, she comes off like a little girl play dress up.

Exactly.

She dithers.

Victoria does NOT dither.

Victoria left when HT did.

Amelia's playing Wannabebitchtoria(and in a very lazy way).

AMEN!!!!

This is better than pouty, "I wanna have my baby and live in my brother's cottage with my boring lame hunky husband" at least.

Of course HT is Victoria. We know this. I think the majority of the board agrees. It was just refreshing to see a character behave the way they should behave, particularly a strong female character when there isn't any. And yeah, she wasn't as strong as HT, we KNOW. But the ferocity of Victoria was at least in the script, which I haven't seen on Y&R since HT left.

Edited June 24, 200916 yr by rhythmchyc

That's the thing.

Even with in character writing Amelia doesn't do fierce or strong.

At best she does milquetoast.