Do you watch those other shows?

I think Y&R is pretty much on par right now with them, only with better production values and better acting in some cases.

But whatever it is, we know Y&R isn't as good as it could be or as good as it was a couple of months ago.

I do, and Y&R is not on a level with those shows. No way. ATWT is unwatchable. There are so many recasts and it doesn't use it's vets at all. GH has decimated it's history and vets. It's about the mob and destroying the past, including it's once signature couple. GH has more plot point issues than Y&R. In fact when it comes to GH I rarely say that a character is OOC because I never am sure what there character would or wouldn't do anymore.

What's Incest?

A Game the whole family can play!

:lol:

1. Adam/Victoria
2. Michael/Kevin
3. Nick/Victoria
4. Jill/Cane
5. Jack/Ashley
6. Jack/Colleen (I know ewww but they have chemistry)
7. Nikki/Nick
8. Patty/Paul
9. Billy/Colleen
10. Nikki/Victoria

Yuck, yuck, yuck!

Jill/Cane would be mad creepy once Cane/Phillip is reversed. I kinda hopped they would have brought back Brooks Prentiss and he and Jill could have had a May by December romance. But that will never happen.

The moral of this post? AH's Vicky is very Flowers in the Attic.

She is very, very Flowers in the Attic. She's like a character between the children and the puritanical grandmother.

I do, and Y&R is not on a level with those shows. No way. ATWT is unwatchable. There are so many recasts and it doesn't use it's vets at all. GH has decimated it's history and vets. It's about the mob and destroying the past, including it's once signature couple. GH has more plot point issues than Y&R. In fact when it comes to GH I rarely say that a character is OOC because I never am sure what there character would or wouldn't do anymore.

I just don't like judging soaps in comparison to one another. I like judging them by their own merits. To me, Y&R has lots of problems on its own that are not being addressed which makes the show not as good as it could be, thus it really isn't a great show to me at all right now. I'm just fed up with the way the current writing regime sees this show.

It was very stupid bringing him back and making up backstory just to send him out again.

I wonder if maybe he will be brought back again in a few months to stay long term? I never thought I'd say this, but I hope so.

Nina's okay. I like her. I'm not feeling her like the rest of you, but I never really did. What I loved was a nervous, flustered Cane.

Nina is like an annoying cousin to me. I like her because we have history together, but she gets under my skin. I hate nosy people who have to dig around in other people's business. She's like a dog with a bone and it grates. It reminds me of years ago when Nikki would start questioning people who didn't owe her any answers and she would keep at them and say things like "You are not leaving here until you tell me what's going on". No one would ever call her on it. I used to tell my friends who watch that Nikki should have been a prosecutor.

Nina is a perfect blend of toughness and vulnerability. I am very worried about what happens to her if she stays on the show beyond this limited plot-driven role as exposing Cane's lies, but I think so far they've handled her right.

I am one of the few people around who doesn't mind Cane, but I'm on Nina's side. She has valid reasons to investigate. They told her that her life and her child's life were lies.

Didn't realize Dru and Olivia were so close to Lorie and Leslie.

They weren't.

Nina is a perfect blend of toughness and vulnerability.

Always has been.

when Nikki would start questioning people who didn't owe her any answers and she would keep at them and say things like "You are not leaving here until you tell me what's going on".

The best part is her sneer.

MTS can sneer with the best of them.

I wonder if maybe he will be brought back again in a few months to stay long term? I never thought I'd say this, but I hope so.

Nina is like an annoying cousin to me. I like her because we have history together, but she gets under my skin. I hate nosy people who have to dig around in other people's business. She's like a dog with a bone and it grates. It reminds me of years ago when Nikki would start questioning people who didn't owe her any answers and she would keep at them and say things like "You are not leaving here until you tell me what's going on". No one would ever call her on it. I used to tell my friends who watch that Nikki should have been a prosecutor.

Except in this case it is her business especially when you factor in

P4 and the fact he has Huntington's disease

. It's very important for her to protect her husband's legacy.

Best incest chemistry

1. Victor/Victoria
2. Nikki/Nicholas
3. Jill/Cane
4. Victor/Nicholas
5. Jack/Ashley
6. Paul/Patty
7. Jill/Billy
8. Katherine/Mackenzie
9. Giggly Heffa/Daniel
10. Lauren/Scotty
11. Gloria/Michael
12. Michael/Kevin
13. Gloria/Kevin

They weren't.

I think they were very similar. Leslie was the one favored one by Stuart, Olivia was the one favored by Lilliebelle. Lorie was close to her mother, Dru was close to her father. Leslie found success, Lorie was resentful of it, but eventually found success herself. Olivia found success as a doctor, Dru resented it, and eventually found success herself. Leslie and Lorie fought over the same men, Olivia and Dru fought over the same men. The only difference is that Lorie had sophistication and style, and wasn't this street urchin that Dru was.

I think they were very similar.

Olivia & Drucilla were NOTHING like Leslie & Lorie.

Ashley & Traci definitely.

Olivia & Drucilla not at all.

I just don't like judging soaps in comparison to one another. I like judging them by their own merits. To me, Y&R has lots of problems on its own that are not being addressed which makes the show not as good as it could be, thus it really isn't a great show to me at all right now. I'm just fed up with the way the current writing regime sees this show.

A lotta the problems you have with Y&R are problems with Daytime in general.

I can't believe no one has put Mary Williams/Paul on their incest list. Why do you think she was so disapproving of his choices in women...

I never saw that story but I can imagine Vanessa Prentiss had some chemistry with Lance and Lucas.

I got a weird vibe off Brad/Colleen, especially Sursok's version.

For current characters, it would have to be Gloria/Kevin.

A lotta the problems you have with Y&R are problems with Daytime in general.

Yep.

I guess I don't get how some still say this show is good and claim that other soaps are bad because of these problems, but Y&R is apparently immune from being bad.

I got a weird vibe off Brad/Colleen, especially Sursok's version.

Diamont had so much chemistry with Fonseca & Leon.

I guess I don't get how some still say this show is good and claim that other soaps are bad because of these problems, but Y&R is apparently immune from being bad.

Level of quality.

Y&R's cast is the cream of the crop.