Members Xanthe Posted July 15, 2021 Members Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) I was surprised to see a credit for Patrick Tovatt as "Andrew Barris" in 1981 in this clip as well as one for Jean Smart as "Woman on Bus". I finished reading Eight Years in Another World. It was interesting to see Lemay's opinions and biases. When he praised Ray Liotta it made me curious to know what he thought of Richard Bekins but based on the dates I don't think they overlapped much. Lemay did admit that they didn't have any success recasting Alice. It's too bad he couldn't have figured out how to be satisfied with Jacqueline Courtney in the role. But if forced to choose between Alice and Iris I would have to go with Iris myself. Edited July 15, 2021 by Xanthe Another thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Mona Kane Croft Posted July 15, 2021 Members Share Posted July 15, 2021 I don't see any reason for choosing between Alice and Iris. The characters were very different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Xanthe Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 Absolutely. I meant really only that I think AW is richer for having included Iris . . . and I was forgetting that Iris was introduced in opposition to Alice originally, and her role as antagonist to Rachel came later. I have very little memory of Alice before Courtney's return in 1984, but my impression is for whatever reason the character was not interesting after Steve's death. Somehow that reminds me that I have a dim memory of somebody shoplifting clothes on AW, probably from the late 70s, and I thought that it was Olive, but now I am wondering if it was actually Sally in her juvenile delinquent phase. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris 2 Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 The problem with Alice is that so much of her storyline revolved around breaking up/reuniting with Steve. And when they Jacqui Courtney back, Steve was gone, as was most/all of her family. What ties did she really have to everyone? That’s why we got silly scenes such as when Rachel invited Alice to spend Christmas with her. Yeah, like that should ever really happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members FrenchBug82 Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 The transformation of Rachel as a character overtime certainly worked but it does feel like one of the few instances where trying to turn her saintly just ended up intelligence-insulting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members AbcNbc247 Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) Got to keep in mind though, most subsequent producers/writers probably didn't know about all of the terrible things that Rachel did. They probably just knew that she was a troublemaker who was reformed. Gary Tomlin even admitted that he didn't study Rachel and Alice's history enough in order to write effectively for Alice in 1984-85 Edited July 16, 2021 by AbcNbc247 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 Never underestimate the importance if your show's history, soap writers/producers... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Chris 2 Posted July 16, 2021 Members Share Posted July 16, 2021 That floors me. AW was one of the most popular soaps just 10 years earlier. The Alice-Steve-Rachel triangle was iconic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members amybrickwallace Posted July 17, 2021 Members Share Posted July 17, 2021 That story was the biggest thing in soaps at one time. It set AW apart. Too bad more people who worked on the show didn't realize that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jam6242 Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 From 1969, a look at a day of taping the show. Please register in order to view this content 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vetsoapfan Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 The author of that article is incredibly ignorant and condescending. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members jam6242 Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 I've noticed that was the norm for newspaper columnists back then. Please register in order to view this content 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vetsoapfan Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 Yes: smug, self-important nobodies who denigrated others to make themselves feel superior. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DRW50 Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 I noticed that he tried to imply Lisa Cameron was a bad actress and also tried to make Nancy Wickwire say her job was dull (she handled that well), but he didn't play any of those games with Constance Ford. He was probably afraid she'd come bawl him out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members vetsoapfan Posted July 20, 2021 Members Share Posted July 20, 2021 Constance Ford would have opened him up a fresh can of whup-ass, LOL! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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