44 minutes ago, AbcNbc247 said:

VW turned 33 in 1978.

Interesting.  So a 33 year old had a 19-ish year old son.  Hmmm.   

Edited December 18, 20231 yr by Mona Kane Croft

1 hour ago, AbcNbc247 said:

Unless they were saying that Rachel had Jamie when she was like 13 😂😂 

But, we were watching when she had Jamie!!!! (Such fun.) 

9 hours ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

Interesting.  So a 33 year old had a 19-ish year old son.  Hmmm.   

Probably balanced out by the fact that she had a 57-year-old husband.

On 12/17/2023 at 9:58 PM, Paul Raven said:

She could have just said she remembered it as a young woman when she arrived in Bay City.

I always felt like the Cory Mansion and the Love Estate were outside the city and not something one would walk past on the way to school.  

Unless you had to walk ten miles to and from school everyday (in the snow and while barefoot).

9 hours ago, ScottyBman said:

I always felt like the Cory Mansion and the Love Estate were outside the city and not something one would walk past on the way to school.  

I am not sure when the Corys first had stables but in 1984 when Catlin as Josh Peterson needed work, both the Cory and Love estates had stables with horses. And in 1986 when Reginald came to town, the Cory stables and the Love stables were somehow conceived of as being close enough together that there was a secret tunnel between them and that Mitch would be able to gain access to the Love stables (which Michael owned at this point) by going through from the Cory side where he was doing some kind of construction work.

The AWHP has some info regarding locations that seem to suggest that the Cory Estate had a lot of features. There is a picture of Rachel walking by the lakeshore in July 1979 which is described as being on the estate. And I believe the location where the Mac/Rachel & Sandy/Blaine double wedding took place was intended to represent the Cory estate -- it had a large swimming pool (the better to push Felicia into) and vast grounds.

I remember when Chris Chapin arrived Nancy spotted him hang gliding. So the Chapin Estate (which had been bought by Lesoleil) was also in the area at that time and probably never mentioned again.

During Lumina the Cory estate also had a secret walled garden that had never been entered in Amanda's lifetime.

I'm sure there are many other features of the estates that may have been mentioned and dropped over time, but many writers definitely treated the Cory Estate as extremely large and unlikely to be in the middle of town.

On 12/17/2023 at 7:49 PM, Mona Kane Croft said:

Most people probably realize the Micheal/Rachel childhood (or high-school) connection contradicts Agnes Nixon's established history that Ada and Rachel moved to Bay City after Rachel had finished high-school.  Actually I believe Harding Lemay was the first AW writer to contradict Rachel's original origin story, when he wrote that Rachel remembered walking past what became the Cory mansion on her way to school.  Again, Rachel didn't even live in Bay City while she was in school.  Of course, character histories are revised all the time on soap operas, but I've always felt that was unfortunate and unnecessary.  

Another Rachel-Erica connection, the "I used to walk by this house on my may home from school" thing was used by AMC as well. Erica said it about the house Dr. David bought for her. It was the house she dreamed of living in someday. IMHO, Linden was the real house of dreams.

16 minutes ago, Xanthe said:

I am not sure when the Corys first had stables but in 1984 when Catlin as Josh Peterson needed work, both the Cory and Love estates had stables with horses. And in 1986 when Reginald came to town, the Cory stables and the Love stables were somehow conceived of as being close enough together that there was a secret tunnel between them and that Mitch would be able to gain access to the Love stables (which Michael owned at this point) by going through from the Cory side where he was doing some kind of construction work.

The AWHP has some info regarding locations that seem to suggest that the Cory Estate had a lot of features. There is a picture of Rachel walking by the lakeshore in July 1979 which is described as being on the estate. And I believe the location where the Mac/Rachel & Sandy/Blaine double wedding took place was intended to represent the Cory estate -- it had a large swimming pool (the better to push Felicia into) and vast grounds.

I remember when Chris Chapin arrived Nancy spotted him hang gliding. So the Chapin Estate (which had been bought by Lesoleil) was also in the area at that time and probably never mentioned again.

During Lumina the Cory estate also had a secret walled garden that had never been entered in Amanda's lifetime.

I'm sure there are many other features of the estates that may have been mentioned and dropped over time, but many writers definitely treated the Cory Estate as extremely large and unlikely to be in the middle of town.

The Cory estate had stables almost immediately after the set was introduced around 1975.  Mac bought an old estate and hired Steve Frame to remodel the house for Mac and Rachel to move into.  This was while Harding Lemay was head writer, and he's the same writer who wrote the scene in which Rachel said she used to walk past the mansion on her way to school.   So Lemay created the location as both a huge estate, yet still somewhere between wherever Rachel and Ada supposedly lived and the school Rachel attended.   

Edited December 19, 20231 yr by Mona Kane Croft

18 minutes ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

The Cory estate had stables almost immediately after the set was introduced around 1975.

Thanks. I recall Pete Shea and Diana Frame meeting in stables as well, but those must have been on Steve Frame's property in 1981-82.

1 hour ago, Xanthe said:

I'm sure there are many other features of the estates that may have been mentioned and dropped over time, but many writers definitely treated the Cory Estate as extremely large and unlikely to be in the middle of town.

Don't forget Rachel's art studio space

On 12/18/2023 at 7:09 AM, Mona Kane Croft said:

I'm surprised Lemay didn't have access to character histories.

Do new writers ever bother to ask the actors about the specifics of the history of their character? Can actors feel free to chime in when they see that an egregious error is about to be made regarding backstory or the personality of their character or would that be considered bad form or insubordination? I know the actors have a lot of lines to memorize each day, so do they even remember things that happened with their storylines years ago?  

Why can't writers assemble a panel of dedicated viewers like the people on this board as consultants? We seem to recall just about everything, LOL.

1 minute ago, China Jones said:

Do new writers ever bother to ask the actors about the specifics of the history of their character? Can actors feel free to chime in when they see that an egregious error is about to be made regarding backstory or the personality of their character or would that be considered bad form or insubordination? I know the actors have a lot of lines to memorize each day, so do they even remember things that happened with their storylines years ago?  

Why can't writers assemble a panel of dedicated viewers like the people on this board as consultants? We seem to recall just about everything, LOL.

I've heard of writers who go out of their way to ask actors about their character history. 

Recently, very, because of discussion of the Daytime Emmys some of us fans were of the opinion that they need to have some kind of fan council to advise them. For example, fans would have had Andrea Evans in the IM segment say 'Tina, OLTL' not 'Rebecca, Passions'. Okay, so it wasn't discussion as much as it was criticism. 

1 minute ago, China Jones said:

Why can't writers assemble a panel of dedicated viewers like the people on this board as consultants?

Well, Lemay is a specific issue because he writes in his memoir about how Irna Phillips was actually hired as his consultant.  He derives some humor out of it because he wrote her as if she had very old-fashioned values and refused to modernize.  So, when he re-writes the history of Rachel, even in this very minor piece of dialogue, it sticks out, because Rachel's creator was available to see if it was possible that she walked by the Cory estate on her way to school.

I'm not obtuse to your humor, but there is added irony given their relationship.

25 minutes ago, China Jones said:

Why can't writers assemble a panel of dedicated viewers like the people on this board as consultants? We seem to recall just about everything, LOL.

Well, for some of them, it’s just arrogance lol 

1 hour ago, Mona Kane Croft said:

This was while Harding Lemay was head writer, and he's the same writer who wrote the scene in which Rachel said she used to walk past the mansion on her way to school.

I know this is nitpicky, but wouldn't the mansion have likely been located farther out of town and in a more rural area? (Afterall, there was acreage enough for horses and stables, right?) But we're to believe that Rachel had to walk from her lower income neighborhood and past these countryside estates on her way to the public high school which was, presumably, in the center of town.