I would love to see Kendall completely free from both Ryan and Zach. I think it would really help her character a lot.

I hope that if Aiden and Annie do get together that they can move away into a new circle too.

I don't want any of them to ever move out of the complete circle but not have every story revolving around them. Those character have existed almost in a world of their own for so long that some new blood for them all would be great.

As far as generalizations I am not sure what is being referred to here, but all the reactions have been to the blame of the characters. And the way the story is being written. Right now the reactions are to the writing. At least the ones I am seeing. And right now the story is being written that Zach and Kendall are both the fault here with Bianca and Reese leading up to it all too.

If those are generalizations and are being made about them or presumed to be being made then generalizations on the other side need to stop too. I mean for some no matter what Ryan does he will always be wrong no matter what. And that is not just a generalization here but on several different boards.

So if generalizations are asked to be stopped then they need to be stopped all across the board.

No, Steve, I was talking about the Zendall stuff. Really, it is just not worth the energy because you said something much better than I did, and I agree.

But I have to say that some of the writing is still OOC for some characters or, should I say, not enough motivation/dialog given (and this is not just speaking about Zen). And the editing was ALL OVER the place, IMO. It was not cohesive and I was having a hard time trying to understand what, exactly, they were going for.

I will say that AM has been really good. Her mix of shock, sadness and overwhelming WTFness (LOL) was good- for her- IMO. I also liked how she was doing this, but working towards Kendall having an heart attack. You could tell something was VERY wrong by the way she was holding herself, touching her face (an odd thing to do at that moment) and wobbling on her feet. It seemed like she was trying to catch her breath but was just having all of these emotions (and hating Reese- LOL), and it FINALLY caught up with her. I am very happy that she is doing well with this.

My Kendall (and Zen) love will be tested, for sure. *L*

I agree about Alicia. Lately she has done some of her best acting work in a long time. She plays the understated bitchiness and insecurity a lot better than when she goes into histrionic mode.

I am not sure who has been toning the actresses down more of late but many of them are giving more toned and refined performances.

I was watching scenes the other day from when Susan Lucci acted out Mona's funeral scenes and when she did Myrtle's who was her second mother. Susan Lucci was so over the top during Mona's funeral that I didn't like it much at all, but I truly felt for her during Myrtle's stuff. It was so understated.

Anyway whoever it is they are giving them all some good direction. And I like it.

Not sure, but I thought I read that AM took some refresher acting classes during her vacation (along with dance lessons, etc), so perhaps this helps. I am very proud of her. And I agree that SL does some of her best work when she is more "quiet/still".

So in the last few months Krystal, Erica, and now Jackson have all lost a child.

Pratt seems obsessed with death and that of children doesn't he?

I thought Walt Willey was incredible and he played the emotion perfectly.

I loved seeing Jerica in one another's arms again. Hopefully this will lead them back together slowly

I wish I could gotten into the wedding itself but I find Reese so annoying that all I want to do is slap her and then FF so I don't have to look at her. Both she and Bianca looked beautiful though. So did Erica , Amanda, and Jackson.

I like Tad/Jake as bro's. Good chemistry between the actors.

Why is Ryan front and center when CM is clearly the worst actor on the show? The bug eyes and over stating the lines is beyond irritating.

I am loving Kendall right now and her coldness towards that ass she is married too. BTW does he ever show emotion? I thought he loved Greenlee too?

Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this lie they are telling? It was an accident with nobody at fault. Why is Zachass lying about it?

I am really amazed how EVERYTHING wrong with this show is due to Zendall. Truly, because Zen is NOT doing well, or had no one noticed this? Usually, when things are done FOR/IN THE NAME OF a couple/character, it is done to build them UP. A LOT of things have been thrown at this couple to break them down, not build them up. Oh, and most people really DO think a break between them is needed... I am one of them. So the generalizations need to stop before it gets out of control, per usual. JMO, of course.

However, it was a SERIES of events that led to this tragedy and Kendall being on the road, driving while angry was a fatal choice and Greenlee paid the price for this mistake. And in the end, so will Kendall.

Zach will get what he deserves for his actions, Bianca for hers, Reese for hers (she was dumb as HELL for not confessing to Bianca, HERSELF, when she had the chance!)... I don't see how anyone will get out of this unscathed.

Well, let me break it down...

Zach killed Josh for Kendall.

Kendall tore Reese to shreds because Zach donated the sperm that produced Gabrielle.

Zach kissed Reese after she was upset due to Kendall's bitchy speech.

Greenlee drove off to confront Zach about Reese which is why she had the effin' audacity to be on the road (HOW DARE SHE?!?)

Kendall was swerving all over the road while arguing with Zach and ran Greenlee off the cliff.

I really don't see how Zendall can't be held accountable for the misery in their storylines as of late. They seem to act out and think later.

Can someone explain to me the reasoning behind this lie they are telling? It was an accident with nobody at fault. Why is Zachass lying about it?

Because Zach feels guilty for kissing Reese and this is his way of punishing himself for it. He'd rather take the blame then let Kendall take it. Romance at its finest!

Well, let me break it down...

Zach killed Josh for Kendall.

Kendall tore Reese to shreds because Zach donated the sperm that produced Gabrielle.

Zach kissed Reese after she was upset due to Kendall's bitchy speech.

Greenlee drove off to confront Zach about Reese which is why she had the effin' audacity to be on the road (HOW DARE SHE?!?)

Kendall was swerving all over the road while arguing with Zach and ran Greenlee off the cliff.

I really don't see how Zendall can't be held accountable for the misery in their storylines as of late. They seem to act out and think later.

Perhaps you do not mean it this way, but your tone sounds like you are implying that I am incapable of what you meant; I assure you, that I understood. I guess what I should have made clear is that I do not agree.

Everyone played their part- Zen in their own marriage woes. But this show is ALSO showing how other characters have affected this s/l as well and added to the overall tragedy. Ryan played his part, Bianca played her part, Reese has played hers. The only "innocent" was Greenlee, IMO. . So to say it was ALL ZEN'S FAULT (I realize this IS over-simplifying and that these are MY words, not yours) is simply something i cannot agree to- even if I were not a fan.

I'm just saying Zendall is toxic.

Agreed --- Zendall is toxic. I'm 100% officially over them as a couple (I know...I was hanging on to only 95% there for so long...but its 100% now).

R --- your fabulous banner is gone!!!