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Sorry, I meant all the people who were raging for another 1/6, or an even bigger event. I agree with you he's likely going to be much worse this time around. I'm not saying people voted for anything but what they are going to get.

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I wish many of the democrats today would realize that. There are an awful lot of them who still think they are friends off the floor where it's all showmanship for the cameras. I feel like the Clintons, who most of the party seems to despise at this point, are the only ones who know this and who battled them like they were the enemy. And Bill Clinton left office more popular than ever.

People do deserve what they voted for but those who didn't do not. Black people by the way voted the same in 2024 as in 2020, so this BS about Trump attracting black voters is BS.  

Anyone who wants to know what a mass deportation of "illegals" will look like only needs to go back and look at the Eisenhower Administration and OPERATION WETBACK and the disaster that turned out to be.  If Latinos who voted in much higher numbers honestly believe this administration will give a damn if legal latino residents are caught in the "round up" of "illegals" they are fooling themselves.  Anyone can look at what happened during that deportation program under Eisenhower.  The US also deported legal Mexican American citizens born in the US to Mexico during the depression.

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I see a lot of "well I'm legal," comments and think to myself that isn't going to matter. Any time this was brought up the response online would be in the vein of, "So much for the tolerant left," similar to any reminders of what Trump will do to Gaza, but saying it's going to happen doesn't mean you want it to happen. This type of voter is drawn to Trump because they need every word to be spun into a lie tailored to their grievance.

I think as time has passed more of the Democrats in power have hardened from the days of collegial DC - I never saw Obama as impassioned as he was this cycle, and you could really sense how much Biden had grown to despise the GOP in the last four years - but there are still too many consultants and talk show residents who try to make this seem like it's still real (if it ever was). I saw Pete Buttigieg using Nancy Pelosi's 2020 line about making a better Republican Party (paraphrasing). I don't believe he means that but he clearly thinks it's what somebody stuck in 1996 wants to hear.

I know that was also the idea of Harris touring with Liz Cheney - both parties of sane people speaking out and how this would mean something. I don't believe what some on the left claim that voters were repulsed by the Cheneys getting involved. Only the subset still stuck in 2004, like Jon Stewart (who also left his own patronizing, "elections aren't everything, keep on working" message after not-so-subtly shitting on Biden and Harris the whole campaign), cared. A majority of the public were clearly just never interested. They had no higher ideals. They had grievances and hate and they blamed Biden for the problems in the economy that were not down to him (and now that the economy is likely about to get much, much worse, they will still blame him).

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 Kamala only got 66 million votes vs 81 million for Biden? I know all the votes are not in, but most states have already been called. Trump is currently at 71 million votes vs 74 million from four years ago. That's an 18 million vote swing from 2020. We were lead to believe that this was a record turnout when it wasn't. Democrats generally lose low turnout elections. 

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I'm not only shocked... and disgusted... and horrified... but I'm also mourning the dream of what could have and should have been. This is the hardest. Every time I glimpse a photo of Kamala, I tear up.  People let that amazing woman down. My heart is freaking breaking. I didn't know so many people in USA wanted a dictator and to live in a version of Russia. 

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We have to wait to see all the votes cast.  We won't know that until California is finished counting which stupidly will take 3 more weeks.  But point is correct. Trump will have performed about the same numbers wise, maybe a tad lower. Did he gain in those constituencies across the country or was the turnout for Harris the real problem.  Maybe both. 

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I have been on the edge since 2016 but 2020 made me feel some sort of hope, I guess. But it’s definitive now that I cannot trust even the concept of this country. I was born here but I have always felt like a foreigner, even among other Black people, I have been looked at as an exotic stranger, at best. I have been on the edge for many years and this has made it inescapably clear to me. America has shown me that I don’t belong here in myriad of ways now.

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