EastEnders: Discussion Thread

[All My Shadows]

I haven't seen today's episode yet, but I have to agree with the Billy love. He's sort of a lovable loser. Everything goes wrong for him, but he keeps on trying anyway, yet he isn't dramatic about all of the stuff he deals with. A good solid character.

Max and Carol were TENSE in yesterday's episode. Carol's just devastating...so lost, so sad, so upset. I could have done without Bianca's big meltdown with Kim. It was pretty random when she just started crying because of what Liam of all people said. That could have been a little more subtle...Bianca simply hanging her head in shame and walking away would have been better, IMO. Kim's still my girl, though!

[Bright Eyes]

What's the story with Billy's child with downs? Does he have anymore kids?

[Y&RWorldTurner]

There was this horrific ass down syndrome story from 2006, that even the then Series Producer of Corrie, (now EP of Emmerdale) Steven Frost, publicly came out and called "sh!t." His ex-wife Honey rejected Janet at first and wanted her put up for adoption, but Billy was reluctant.

Billy has two kids with his ex-wife Honey, Janet (the one with downs) and William, who was born a year or so after Janet. Now he has this long lost older son with Julie.

I believe Little Mo's son though rape, Freddie, also sports the Michelle last name. When Little Mo first decided to keep her rape baby, Billy was supportive and was still her husband, but eventually he couldn't deal with it, and they eventually separated and divorced.

[Bright Eyes]

Where are his kids now?

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Living with Honey, she just left town and never said where she was going, but she was living with her father.

[Bright Eyes]

After what you just typed, that doesn't make any sense to me at all. And please tell me you hated this Honey, because her name alone makes me want to punch her in the face.

Edited October 16, 2010 by Amello

[DRW50]

Honey was one of those characters who didn't know what words meant. She was mostly a dippy character. I didn't think she was that bad in small doses. The big problem was when she left so did most of Billy's story. It's a real testament to Perry's talent that Bryan Kirkwood didn't axe him this year, because a lot of fans wrote Billy off a long time ago, thanks to his awful, repetitive stories.

The last time Billy's kids were seen was in March or April, when Honey and her father (who had dated Peggy but broke up because she could not deal with a Down's child) were in a car crash. Her father was killed. This all happened offcamera and ended in about three episodes. Sometimes EE has the most strange pacing around.

[Y&RWorldTurner]

Billy and Little Mo's relationship will always be my favourite pairing of his. They both had a bad self-esteem, yet made one another feel so worthy, and he really helped her recover from the abuse she received from Trevor, and she helped him feel wanted for the first time in his life. Too bad they really f.ucked them up.

Billy was also once Jamie Mitchell's guardian, who he abused, hence that child abuse side coming out again recently on Jay. Billy lives in regret over what he did to Jamie.

Jamie died on the day Billy and Little Mo got married - Christmas 2002. Billy was hesitant to carry on with the wedding after he heard the condition Jamie was in, but he eventually got to make some peace with Jamie. In one of the RARE moments I felt sorry for Sonia, it was touching when Jamie died in her arms on the hospital bed, as Little Mo and Billy got married.

I was watching the two episodes from 2002 again only a few days ago, might as well post it here:

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[Bright Eyes]

This is a trainwreck.

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[DRW50]

Oh yeah I remember that -- some very creaky singing...to say the least. Although I'm glad for the lack of Autotune. The staging in that is what makes it fun, especially the last number. I notice that the worst singers in that were all written out...

I think that This Morning interview is one of the most unprofessional I've ever seen. It was insulting to Kirkwood to say he's going to bring Hollyoaks to Eastenders, when Kirkwood has worked on other shows, and when his decisions have not exactly shown he's making this into Hollyoaks. To ask if they are "threatened" by Corrie. The SHAMELESS decision to bring up Jack Duckworth leaving Corrie, solely to bash Eastenders as being depressing. First of all, what does that have to do with the interview? Second, have they seen Corrie in recent years? Third, if you're going to talk about depressing, Jack Duckworth has basically sat around for 2 to 3 years mourning the past and now he has a terminal illness!

I wish Kirkwood had defended the show a bit more, as it does have comedy, instead of just saying they're working on that and its Eastenders style to be depressing, but oh well.

[DRW50]

This one is pretty good, although the guys steal it. I still wonder sometimes why they cast the guy who plays Ryan as some sort of hard type when that doesn't ever seem to suit him.

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[DRW50]

I thought last night's episode was pretty decent...at first I wasn't sure if they were saying that the Jacksons didn't like Kim's food because it was Caribbean or if they were saying Kim can't cook.

I know some will just feel Carol is being a bitch, but the scene where she went to see Conor was so full of pain and it was so obvious she has to blame everyone else for her son's death. You can see how this is eating her up. Those scenes where she was calmly poring through every part of Billie's profiles. I thought the guy who played Conor did a good job, although when he got emotional he reminded me of Mickey from Doctor Who.

The stuff with Whitney and Peter seems rushed, although I guess there might be more ahead, as it's hard to believe Whitney would be over Billie this quickly. If they want to move away from stories about Whitney's love life, that's fine with me, as I don't think Shona is great in those types of stories. It might also give Peter something interesting to do, and I'm sure Whitney and Lucy will have some conflict.

I like Julie. She knows and accepts who Billy is but still cares for him. The conversation they had was very well put together -- recapping tons of stuff without seeming like they were. Seeing Phil and Jay make fun of him wasn't fun but then that's true to their characters. The Sun has a spoiler on this story, couched in their bizarre idea that she looks like Little Mo (I don't see that at all).

Some people on DS said that Derek Martin, Charlie Slater, has been doing some interviews. He said he's going in February 2011, as already mentioned here, and also that

[BadBoy93]

Basically pick out your Dream EE Cast with 10 Males (Dead/Alive/Past/Present) , Females and Teens.

Here is my list

Females

1.Pauline Fowler

2.Sharon Rickman

3.Dot Branning

4.Pat Evans

5.Janine Butcher

6.Sam Mitchell

7.Peggy Mitchell

8.Melanie Owen

9.Jane Beale

10.Shirley Carter

Males

1.Den Watts

2.Ian Beale

3.Mark Fowler

4.Frank Butcher

5.Phil Mitchell

6.Grant Mitchell

7.Billy Mitchell

8.Dan Sullivan

9.Dennis Rickman

10.Max Branning

Teenagers

1.Lucy Beale

2.Peter Beale

3.Ben Mitchell

4.Courtney Mitchell

5.Lauren Branning

6.Abi Branning

7.Jay Brown

8.Whitney Dean

9.Zsa Zsa Carter

10.Stevie Dickinson

Can`t wait to see some of the others.

[Bright Eyes]

Hmm ... I'll do top 5.

Females:

1) Carol Branning

2) Bianca Jackson

3) Janine Butcher

4) Pat Evans

5) Dot Branning

Males:

1) Max Branning

2) Patrick (I forget his last name)

3) Ricky Butcher

4) Ryan Malloy

5) Billy Mitchell

[BadBoy93]

u can include past characters you know.