59 minutes ago, BetterForgotten said:

I do think LOVING probably had more in common with a “sleepy/safe” P&G soap like SEARCH (no offense to it, there are eras I’m fascinated by with that show too) than much of the ABC Daytime lineup it was paired with. 

That makes a lot of sense. It also helps explain why I was interested in the show. The Loving Murders does feel like something that could have ripped through a P&G town (like AW...repeatedly).

I think a lot of us are fascinated with LOV for a lot of reasons, not just those of us who love the Murders but also particularly the protean nature of the show; how it morphs into so many different shows and canvases over and over, especially in the '90s. There's so many disparate pieces that work or could work. But I would disagree that there's not much of Agnes in it. I said in the past and stand by the idea that it can be seen as an Agnes test laboratory for various stories, concepts, character archetypes, etc. which she revisited over and over through her career, including again and again at AMC in later years - in addition to Ava and Kate, Ally, etc., I think Cooper and Hannah, Steffi, etc. all are descended from Phil and Tara and other Agnes young love attempts, and can be seen to prefigure Becca and Scott, Greenlee, etc., all the way down to Pete and Celia and poor sweet suffering rich boy A.J. at AMC 2.0. You have various goofball characters (Egypt) that resemble her AMC successes or that she later tried to recreate again (arguably in the redemption attempts with Kate Collins' Janet at the end of AMC in summer '11, and Billy Clyde on AMC 2.0); you have the older Black character who is clearly an analog for Sadie Gray after Agnes tried and failed to port Ellen Holly and Lillian Hayman from OLTL to LOV. Here, in this misty little show too few watched, Agnes tinkered with her private fascinations over and over. That's a big part of what makes me often revisit the show, in addition to the unique visions of other writing teams coming in over and over trying to reconfigure the show to new visions from those parts. And that's not even getting to the Marland stuff early on.

31 minutes ago, Vee said:

I think a lot of us are fascinated with LOV for a lot of reasons, not just those of us who love the Murders but also particularly the protean nature of the show; how it morphs into so many different shows and canvases over and over, especially in the '90s. There's so many disparate pieces that work or could work. But I would disagree that there's not much of Agnes in it. I said in the past and stand by the idea that it can be seen as an Agnes test laboratory for various stories, concepts, character archetypes, etc. which she revisited over and over through her career, including again and again at AMC in later years - in addition to Ava and Kate, Ally, etc., I think Cooper and Hannah, Steffi, etc. all are descended from Phil and Tara and other Agnes young love attempts, and can be seen to prefigure Becca and Scott, Greenlee, etc., all the way down to Pete and Celia and poor sweet suffering rich boy A.J. at AMC 2.0. You have various goofball characters (Egypt) that resemble her AMC successes or that she later tried to recreate again (arguably in the redemption attempts with Kate Collins' Janet at the end of AMC in summer '11, and Billy Clyde on AMC 2.0); you have the older Black character who is clearly an analog for Sadie Gray after Agnes tried and failed to port Ellen Holly and Lillian Hayman from OLTL to LOV. Here, in this misty little show too few watched, Agnes tinkered with her private fascinations over and over. That's a big part of what makes me often revisit the show, in addition to the unique visions of other writing teams coming in over and over trying to reconfigure the show to new visions from those parts. And that's not even getting to the Marland stuff early on.

I can definitely see Minnie as potentially filling the role Sadie could have had.

It's interesting how much better the young love elements of Loving were (especially the Cooper/Ally/Casey/Steffi quad) compared to what happened with AMC in the '90s and early '00s. I'm not sure why - maybe more ABC influence and poorer producers and writers. 

I wish Agnes could have done more about the hatchet job on Egypt in her '94 return.

A little bit of Lisa Brown’s brief role on Loving, in scenes with Debbi Morgan - so weird seeing her in a role other that Iva and Nola. 
 

 

Thanks for that. I saw some of Lisa's crazy villain stint awhile back, it seems so weird. (Didn't she mind control Charles and kill Casey?)

22 hours ago, Vee said:

Thanks for that. I saw some of Lisa's crazy villain stint awhile back, it seems so weird. (Didn't she mind control Charles and kill Casey?)

She hypnotized Charles into forgetting about the circumstances of the deaths of Jacob's wife and son. Casey's death was unrelated - he was killed by Pat Graham.

21 hours ago, Kane said:

She hypnotized Charles into forgetting about the circumstances of the deaths of Jacob's wife and son. Casey's death was unrelated - he was killed by Pat Graham.

Do we know their names? Jacob’s family

5 hours ago, cassadine1991 said:

Do we know their names? Jacob’s family

His wife was named Teresa and his son was named David.

Sorry, not sure if this promo was already around. I just saw it now.

 

A clip of Jack/Lily/Curtis in this Daytime Dilemma video, midway through. It repeats later, with better audio.

 

Part of a "battle of the network stars" type program featuring stars from Loving and B&B. The quality is poor so I can't make out all the Loving people - the main one I recognize is Rena Sofer.

 

3 hours ago, DRW50 said:

Part of a "battle of the network stars" type program featuring stars from Loving and B&B. The quality is poor so I can't make out all the Loving people - the main one I recognize is Rena Sofer.

 

Thank you!

@DRW50 The other two women are Susan Keith and Linda Cook. One of the men is Ron Nummi. Not sure about the other - maybe Perry Stephens?

9 minutes ago, Kane said:

The other two women are Susan Keith and Linda Cook. One of the men is Ron Nummi. Not sure about the other - maybe Perry Stephens?

Thanks! I thought one of them was Susan but I just couldn't be sure. The others I had no idea. Perry would make sense as he was so athletic.

Edited June 15, 20241 yr by DRW50

On 3/22/2024 at 6:40 PM, DRW50 said:

It's interesting how much better the young love elements of Loving were (especially the Cooper/Ally/Casey/Steffi quad) compared to what happened with AMC in the '90s and early '00s. I'm not sure why - maybe more ABC influence and poorer producers and writers. 

I think the fluidity of the show helped the younger set of "Loving" as the show was quite willing to change actors, characters, and personalities at the drop of the hat until they found what worked. In hindsight, the college revamp of 1992 only provides us two long standing characters (Cooper and Casey) surrounded by a string of duds (Hannah, Staige, and Kent) and one holdover (Ally). Things don't really pull themselves together until Millee Taggert and Robert Guza introduce Steffi, who is strong out of the gate but morphs when Nixon decides she wants to redo Claudette/Margo with Steffi/Deborah. The fact that both actresses are still in daytime (Laura Wright and Amelia Heinle) speaks to this go with the flow nature.