11 hours ago, j swift said:

It is a shame that guys like Lane Davis and Terry Lester didn't have more fun during their time as soap actors.  They complained about soap fans, writers and producers usually communicating that they felt disrespected.  However, there has never been another time when soaps were as creative, profitable, or popular as they were during Terry or Lane's time and so their respective lack of support/respect for daytime seems such a silly choice in hindsight.   It just proves that you never know when what will be the good old days are now.

 

I think Lane appreciates it all more now, from his post-SB and GH interviews. As Carly Simon famously sang, "these are the good old days".

Can't say about Terry Lester, but I don't remember Lane Davies ever showing a lack of support or respect for daytime. He chose not to submit himself for the Emmy, which is prerogative. But I've never heard him trying to distance himself from SB, even if he voiced displeasure over some of the choices the writers made for Mason.

I think we all have to remember that to them, this was a job... and everyone always likes and dislikes certain aspects of a job.  Thinking about that, I've softened my stance on Robin Wright and her lack of warmth in regards to her 4 year stint on SB.  To us, we loved seeing her act.. but she did have her 1st husband fired, then the show basically forcing her to stay an extra year just so she could film A princess Bride.. then the writers putting her character into a hamster wheel post Joe (first with Nick/Dylan.. then with Jeffery/TJ)... I could see why she would quit because the challenge wasn't there anymore.

 

I do love seeing Julia pre-Mason.. and going through two or three bad romances her first 18 months or so before she and Mason start their slow descent to being a couple.  It was a blessing for Julia as a character, yet also a curse.... because her character was almost trapped in the Mason/Julia vortex.. and it didn't help that the characters over a 4.5 year span broke up and made up three times.   I don't recall Eden/Cruz doing that after they finally married in spring 1988 until Marcy Walker departed in mid 1991.  They had stormy times, but never broke up.. even when her ex flame Robert came back into the picture.

6 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

I don't recall Eden/Cruz doing that after they finally married in spring 1988 until Marcy Walker departed in mid 1991.  They had stormy times, but never broke up.. even when her ex flame Robert came back into the picture.

 

Nope...they stayed connected through loveless marriages to Kirk "The Jerk" Cranston and Santana Andrade, respectively. In hindsight, they should have just killed Eden off instead of having her just up and leave the way she did. She and Cruz had gone through so much together and had kids, and the bond would have only been severed by death...or a soap opera death leaving the door open for such a popular performer to return if she so chose.

 

 

SB had some really fun and creative Christmas episodes. Thanks for posting these. 😊🎄

A soap critic once wrote that the one thing that connects all soap characters is that they never tell the truth to their loved ones.  For example, I was just watching Maggie the Cop and Warren flirt.  Maggie is undercover tracking a criminal who lives across the hall and she is wired for sound to Cruz.  However, rather than just telling Warren that she's working, she lets him blow her cover and endanger herself!  Now, I am not a detective (nor have I received any covert training) but I think there are more logical solutions. 

 

The same thing constantly happens to Eden and Cruz & Mason and Julia; they can't tell each other some police/company/investigation secret when there are no steaks involved in divulging the information to each other.  The character's rigid adherence to confidentiality over their personal and familial relationships strains credulity.  

Janis Paige (Minx Lockridge #2) recently shared her #MeToo story:

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harassment-hollywoods-golden-age-survivor-janis-paiges-first-hand-story-1052498

Earlier this month I saw Nancy Lee Grahn at the grocery store.  Nobody seemed to notice her which is not unusual in Los Angeles.  However, it made me ponder this fact: here is an actress who has worked steadily for almost 40 years and, has been watched by at least 3 million people a day yet, she can be so under radar of mass media.

It must be an odd sort of fame.

5 hours ago, j swift said:

Earlier this month I saw Nancy Lee Grahn at the grocery store.  Nobody seemed to notice her which is not unusual in Los Angeles.  However, it made me ponder this fact: here is an actress who has worked steadily for almost 40 years and, has been watched by at least 3 million people a day yet, she can be so under radar of mass media.

It must be an odd sort of fame.

 

Agreed, though I'm sure she's long since used to it.

 

Just rewatched this.

What do you think of this scene? fans of Eden and cruz seems to love it, but I watch it now and I find it very creepy. I don’t like it at all.

Women being aroused by violence or grief is as fictional as evil twins or sudden teen aged infants.

It definitely does not send out a good message.

Of course, many people are aroused by rough sex and BDSM, which is fine within a consensual relationship where someone's boundaries are known and respected. But it doesn't seem like Santa Barbara was exploring that issue.

No, they weren't. But if anyone on the show had to be into S&M, it would have been Gina and Keith.