Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 It is not offensive when she would be the winner in popular vote...they won't lose if the ticket is Hillarack (either way) because they are both beating McCain. It is a no brainer to have them running together. Don't be so pessimistic. Be optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Roman Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Good question. Depends on how many stay at home who are upset. You would turn off a tremendous amount of voters who would feel that their vote, in the end, didn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Once again, they are not handing anyone anything...it would be awarded through an agreement. I don't see any other agreement that is acceptable other than seating them as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Ditto...especially the first part of your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 What I don't like is when, if you say you don't like Obama or he is not your first pick to be president, some of his supporters call you racist. You don't see Hillary supporters saying to people who don't like her or do not have her as the first pick that they are misogynistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Southofnowhere Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 In what world does Obama agree to anything that would have him lose?????? Would NEVER NEVER NEVER happen. Obama is not going to be Hillary sidekick!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Soapsuds Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Couldnt agree more with you. It is so true. Would you please stop yelling... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 No, they say they're sexist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Jay S.W. Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Right on the money Mr. Chandler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Obama...1,929 Clinton...1,741 Victory is near Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members EricaKane70 Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Well its already over, but we will let hillary stay in denial. The next step is anger and then bargaining. ============== John Mccain: A Man Apart In an exclusive interview, ESSENCE talks to the presumptive Republican nominee John McCain about engaging Black America, fixing public school education and his plan to beat Obama By Tatsha Robertson John McCain’s presence is felt at every corner of the Hilton Hotel in New York City; he’s in town for an appearance on Saturday Night Live. Secret Service agents line the hotel’s hallway, and aides stick their heads into our hotel suite, counting down the minutes to the candidate’s arrival for his interview with ESSENCE, his first with an African-American publication. When the 71-year-old Arizona senator, wearing khaki pants and a dark blazer, finally walks into the suite where we are to conduct our interview, he seems every bit the soldier he is—rigid in his bearing, gracious, serious, respectful. He thanks ESSENCE for taking the time to talk to him and stops me when I begin to tell him about our 8 million readers. “I know the magazine well,” he says. This has been one of the best and also one of the toughest weeks on the campaign trail for the senator. He gained ground with a speech earlier in the week in which he laid out his plans for his first term as President of the United States. But there were a few bumps along the way. Just one day before our meeting, Senator Barack Obama, 46, had come out swinging against McCain. The fierce exchange between the two was sparked by President Bush, who, during a speech before the Israeli parliament, criticized Obama for indicating a willingness to meet with leaders of Iran. Bush called the approach “the false comfort of appeasement.” Obama, who seemed to relish the chance to take on the President, quickly pulled the presumptive Republican nominee into the argument, yoking him to Bush and his policies. It was a move pundits predicted could hurt McCain, given the President’s record-low approval rating. Then, just before sitting down with ESSENCE, McCain receives the news that Massachusetts Democratic Senator Ted Kennedy, 76, has just been rushed to the hospital. Minutes into our interview, McCain’s top aide rushes into the room and places her cell phone to the candidate’s ear. McCain mouths an apology to me and begins talking into the phone. “This is John McCain—just heard the news,’’ he tells the person on the line. “I would just like to relay to Senator Kennedy my thoughts prayers and my love are all with him. If there is ever any moment whenever it would be appropriate, I would like to speak to him. I just hope you relay that to him and to the family. Thanks for taking my call. I know you are very busy right now.” Then he hands the cell phone back to his aide, apologizing to me for the interruption. “Ted had a stroke,” he explains. [ The condition was initially thought to be a stroke but was later described as a seizure.] “That was his chief of staff. Ted is one of my dear friends. We are very close—very close, personal friends.” Despite his challenging week and the fact that he knows this interview will focus on issues of importance to voters who seem to be strongly behind Obama, McCain is ready to talk about his plan to address African-American concerns and to discuss how race factors into the election and why he doesn’t believe Obama is ready to be president. Here are excerpts from our exclusive interview: ESSENCE: Senator, I read and watched your May 15 speech. It seemed very optimistic. You envisioned many things: ending the war by 2013, improving public education, improving health care. But I am curious whether you have plans as president to improve some of the dire problems in the African-American community. In Washington, D.C., our nation’s capital, there is a serious AIDS crisis. Unemployment among African-American men is especially high, and there is an education gap that persists between Black and White children, despite class. What would a McCain administration do to help solve these problems? McCain: First of all, my general overall mission is to continue to erase barriers that are based on race, wherever policies are needed, and of course to improve everyone’s opportunity. [Here he pauses to talk to Ted Kennedy’s chief of staff.] To answer your question and to be more specific, I believe education is clearly the remaining barrier, whether it is preschool or Head start or elementary or K–12. We have an unacceptable situation in America today where lower-income people do not have the same access to the quality education that higher-income people have. We tried busing, but that didn’t work. So now we have to bring in new programs, which will improve education standards and choice and work with teachers…. But we also have to act at the federal level, update the No Child Left Behind Act. The No Child Left Behind Act was a good beginning, in my view. Those who want to scrap it completely—I respectfully disagree. But now we have learned the lessons of the first five or six or seven years of putting No Child Left Behind into practice. So let’s fix it, because it’s clear we have a two-tiered system of education in America. ESSENCE: This will be a priority? McCain: Absolutely. Essence.com: Republican Newt Gingrich said the Republicans should not ignore the African-American and Latino community, but this election year Republican candidates Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani didn’t bother to address the Black community. As the Republican nominee, how will your reach out to the Black community, not only in this election, but afterward? McCain: Go to places and venues that would allow me to continue a dialogue with the African-American community. I will go to the NAACP convention. ESSENCE: You will? McCain: Oh, yeah. I don’t know any reason why not. I went to Selma and stood at the Edmund Pettus Bridge and talked about the need to include “forgotten Americans.” I will never as long as I live forget the beautiful women of Gees Bend, Alabama, with the quilts. They were singing spirituals. On the first occasion I could find in the White House I would have them sing again. It was so moving. There was a woman there who was 91 years old. Can you imagine the environment she lived in when she was 21? And yet, this woman was full of hope, compassion and forgiveness. But does that mean in my campaign I am going to get a majority of the African-American vote? Probably not. But what it does mean, what I’ve committed to, is assuring and promising all Americans whether they vote for me or not, I am going to be their president. Americans are sick and tired of partisanship and divisions along party lines that cause gridlock and frustration and lack of addressing the issues that confront America. ESSENCE: If you were our next president, what would your cabinet look like? Would you consider African-Americans and Latinos at top positions? McCain: Absolutely. Also I would include Democrats because we have to ask the best of America to serve our country at these difficult times. ESSENCE: I talked to Condoleezza Rice last year. She said she definitely would not run for president. McCain: [Laughs] I am happy about that. ============ At least he's making an effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Ryan Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 No Shawn, you must remember, even though the number to secure the nomination is 2,025, according to Sen. Clinton, the real victory threshold is 2,209 -- including Michigan and Florida Even though she knew when this started they wouldn't be counted. But oh yeah, she never expected Obama to make it this far. I'd love to hear her tune if the roles were reversed and she was ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 You know Ryan, delusional Hillary supporters make me sad... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DevotedToAMC Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 Either way you don't hear it as often There are some who are delusional but, for the most part, we are loyal First of all, you need to calm down. This is just a discussion. For the sake of the party, we should seat the delegates so we don't lose both states to the Republicans in November. If that mean Obama has to take a loss, so be it. And he would not be her sidekick..he would be her VP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Dr. Jay S.W. Posted May 21, 2008 Members Share Posted May 21, 2008 For the sake of the party, Hillary should pull the hell out and get her bitter followers to jump on the Obama bandwagon since he has this won. I mean, we are speaking for the sake of the party, and not for the sake of the Hillary, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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