Members Faulkner Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 Of COURSE, he's a rapist. To suggest otherwise is ludicrous. He made her have sex with him under duress, in fear that one of her loved ones would die. The soap genre's history with rape and covering it up to promote some "romance" is not something it should be proud of. It's amoral and an insult to women to have female characters fall in love with their attackers. Luke and Laura be damned. Anyone who has been a victim of a sexual assault knows how traumatic it is. It's not fun, it's not sexy, it's not romantic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members MikeGoldy Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 For me, it was rape, seeing as though Sami clearly didn't enjoy it and didn't want to do it. Rape is about power, and EJ wanted to be in control of Sami, and have sex with her. The fact that she felt she had to sleep with him because of Lucas, made it all the better for EJ. And it certainly was off the way Sami mentioned EJ possibly being the father of her baby, and Bo, Hope, Marlena, and John shrugged it off, as if it was nothing. Does John even know what happened? At this point in time, EJ should be treated as a rapist, and he's not. Bad writing. Still want EJ and Sami together though As for Marlena she has always been a bad mother, so that is nothing new. She has been great buddies with Kate for years, even though Kate has tried to destroy Sami's life numerous times, sent her to death row, and to a lesser extent, tried to destroy Belle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ANDREA LOATHES REILLY Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 Her loved ones OR Lucas trapped under a beam??? Let's not re-write this. Sami paid EJ for services rendered... Please ask yourselves this question... What would have happened if Sami refused? Answer: Lucas MAY have died, and that is all... The time spent having sex in that car, depending on EJ's stamina, could have been spent REALLY looking for help. Sami took the easy out, and she paid with the only currency EJ would accept... ANDREA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members DaysFanJean Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 Sami has become the newest DiMera pawn. All we can do is just enjoy the story the writer's dish out as Ali can make it interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Pest Spray Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 Sami doesn't act like she was raped, which she was, how are we supposed to get that other characters do? Honey, I despise the vile character that is Samantha Gene Braddy AKA Scami and I have from day 1. This kind of opinion IMO is why so many rape victims are never heard by the police or never given justice for the trauma they suffered. Sami was raped. EJ had a gun, threatened her, demanded and gave her no choice other than rape or Lucas dies. That is rape. Pure and simple. So does this mean Marlena wasen't raped? She's my favourite character, but Kellam breaking into her apartment, chasing her into her bedroom and forcing her onto the bed while he forced himself on her makes it not rape? Which Marlena was never informed about because Sami never told her. "Roman" knew, Marlena didn't. Marlena is buddies with Kate? Could've fooled me with the catfight interrupted at the wedding. And Marlena's the best mother in Salem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ANDREA LOATHES REILLY Posted May 30, 2007 Members Share Posted May 30, 2007 I totally dig what you are saying, and trust me when I say that I share your sentiment on that vile piece of trash, Scami... I am not saying it was not rape because I loathe that disgusting character. I am saying this because it was not rape. Sami did have a choice. She could either walk away and Lucas possibly dies or she gives EJ what he wants. It is a tough position in which to be, but it is not rape... There is no law that says EJ has to assist Sami. So rape would only be true if EJ was obligated to help, and he was not... Yeah, he's a bad samaritan but hardly a rapist... ANDREA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Shawn Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 As a rape victim myself, I find this post extremely offensive. When you force someone to have sex, whether physically or psychologically, you demean them and you make them feel the lowest that anyone could possibly feel. Though not shown to the extent of what it should have been, Sami felt like that. It does not MATTER what kind of person she is. She was still manipulated and given no choice but to surrender to EJ's power over her. If you don't know what a horrific experience being raped is, then I envy you. But do not call something that was obviously such a vile act the opposite of what it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrator Toups Posted May 31, 2007 Administrator Share Posted May 31, 2007 The writers say it's rape. The characters say it's rape. The actors say it's rape. Sami had a gun pointed at her from a person who just shot someone. How exactly was she willingly to having sex with EJ and what other choice did she have besides letting Lucas die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Q Steph Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I can't believe Days is still pushing EJami as though they were the next Luke and Laura. *gags* The glorfication of rape is not romantic. It's disgusting, negligent and criminal. I have no respect for those who indulge in the practice. Sami is a former victim of rape. She castrated Alan, but wants to make peace with EJ? Bullsh*t. Her maudlin scenes today at the pub made me cringe. It reminded me why I have no interest in Days at the current moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Q Steph Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Thank you and Amen. There are many ways to force a sexual assualt. The cavalier attitude towards rape in general is disturbing. These predators don't merely exist in the bushes with ski masks, armed with weapons of force. If EJ/Sami were like the R. Kelly situation, I could find room to adopt a different perspective. This is an unpopular of mine, but he was a freaky old man with a fast ass girl. They're both wrong. I didn't see the video, but I don't remember a gun being pointed to her head. But I digress. I really doubt it would be cool in the gang if someone felt an ounce of that pain victims endure and even the survivors. I hate people who lie about being raped and find myself in a wonder over those who take bereft and justifying stances. I pray for the cold wind of karma and I don't care if that makes me a bad person. So be it. Either way, EJ is nothing but a worthless rapist. He's no better than the monsters in prison. Also, I believe that Sami is a rapist herself. She drugged Austin for the purposes of sex. Karma. Or just bad soap opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members IMissAremid Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 As an EJami fan I have been absolutely furious about what happened and I do want a character-driven, nuanced story that addresses the rape (that's why I started writing my own) but if we don't get that I'm not going to hold it against the coupling any more than you are going to hold it against your preferred pairing that they were rushed ridiculously quickly back together after having been with other people. And we still don't know 100 percent for sure that Days is all done making EJ pay for what happened. Since he raped Sami he has been the subject of a murder plot, sprayed with a fire extinguisher for no reason, been in anguish over the fact that the woman he loves married another man, humiliated when he was punched at their wedding, placed under investigation by the SEC, disowned by his family and marked for death, faced another Salem PD sting operation, etc... Sami is also still saying that she will never get over the fact that he raped her and she never will. The way I see it for some people there will be nothing that the writers can do to make EJ suffer enough to their satisfaction short of Sami shooting off his balls or finally going through with killing him so there's nothing they can really do to undo what's happened between them. The show just has to try to move forward and hope for the best and that viewers are willing to set aside some things about their history and enjoy the chemistry between the pair the same way viewers like you enjoy Sami and Lucas despite their sordid past. I think there is still time for EJ and Sami to work out their issues about the rape and for EJ to come to understand the gravity of what happened now that they've started writing him in more than one dimension again. What was jarring to me as a viewer more than anything was today's episode and the weirdness of everyone finding out about it offscreen and the Salem PD asking her no questions about the rape or the night she was with EJ. Yet even though apparently they did know about the rape, Uncle Bo thought nothing of using Sami as bait yet again for their latest EJ Wells trap when that only fed into EJ's desire for/confusion about her the two previous times the Salem PD pimped her out to help the police take EJ down. I would have appreciated a scene where not only did they discuss the rape and Sami's feelings about it and why EJ was bad for doing it, but maybe just maybe we got to see Roman or Bo have just one second of regret about the way they put Sami in the crosshairs because they suck so much at solving crimes. The best mother in Salem couldn't be bothered to attend, let alone plan her daughter's bridal shower while her archnemesis, Kate, threw her one. LOL. Best mother in Salem is like best mother under DCFS supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Cheap21 Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 How exactly did Ethan rape Sami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Q Steph Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 I thought his name was Elvis Jr. But Lucas' leg was trapped under a beam. Sami went to go get some help, flagging down EJ. She begged for his help, but he only consented on one condition. She had to have sex with him. He was had a gun in her face too. I think the scene might be on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 Ethan? I think you mean EJ? LoL Anyway, Sami and Lucas had been lovey-dovey at a cabin last December. While at the cabin, the roof caved in on them and a knocked Lucas out. Sami tried to rescue him, but a giant beam was pinning him down and she wasn't strong enough to move the beam... so she ran outside to look for help. As she went outside for help, none other than Mr. EJ Wells comes driving by. Desperate for help, she hopped in the car and asked for his strength to save Lucas. EJ held a gun on her and told her that he wanted her help escaping Salem (he had just shot John and was fleeing town, so he wanted Sami to drive his getaway car so that police wouldn't notice him or something). Anyway, Sami helped him escape town. After that, Sami begged EJ to go back and help her save Lucas. EJ told her that he would only help her save Lucas if she let him make love to her right there in the car. He didn't really force her to have sex... he gave her a choice. But untimately, she slept with EJ in order to get his help rescuing Lucas from the cabin. After the rape/incident/whatever, they went back to the cabin and Lucas was passed out cold. EJ and Sami raised the beam off of him and Sami was later credited as a hero for having such "superhuman strength" to lift the beam off Lucas "by herself." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members KLN Posted May 31, 2007 Members Share Posted May 31, 2007 He didn't tell her that he would shoot her if she didn't have sex with him, though. He only told her that he would shoot her if she didn't help him escape. After she helped him escape the police, he put the gun down, and that's when the rape happened. He never literally forced her or held a gun on her in order for her to have sex with him... he left THAT part a choice. Sami chose to sleep with him to save Lucas's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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