It all started with Adam and Eve so aren't we all incectious sickos anyway?

Cain and Able would have had to sleep with their own mother to reproduce wouldn't they?

Excellent point, R!ck.

Hogan, I wouldn't condone incest in real life.

But I do agree with JER when he says that gay incest on television, in a fictional environment, should draw less stigma than incest between a man and a woman.

Edited March 15, 200718 yr by JointStrikeFighter

I wouldn't condone incest in real life.

Nor would I

I sort of figured that Vincent would be the Evian Child, (actually posted about that earlier in a spoiler thread...)

Makes perfect sense with the Vincent/Pretty/Stalker thing too...maybe the whole Crane family is involved...as a plot to destroy the Lopez-Fitzgerald...

I actually would like this story play out, as Vincent is connected to everything in all of it...but I just wished it was a character that I liked more...like say Jared...

yeah, making vincent the big stalker incest racist creep would be great -- just great to pin all that on the gay guy.

if JERk does that, he's SICKER than i thought.

it's reprehensible writing to create a thoroughly evil character like that -- and make his homosexuality an integral part of that evil. it's disgusting that ANYONE can think this would be a good story and good writing.

of course, if posters are at home thinking of their own family members and whacking off, i can see why their sense of reason is in the toilet.

I think however, if Vincent is indeed the person behind this all...it will focus on the fact that he is a CRANE more so than a bisexual fellow...well...i'd hope so...

yeah, making vincent the big stalker incest racist creep would be great -- just great to pin all that on the gay guy.

if JERk does that, he's SICKER than i thought.

it's reprehensible writing to create a thoroughly evil character like that -- and make his homosexuality an integral part of that evil. it's disgusting that ANYONE can think this would be a good story and good writing.

Why, because bisexual or gay people cannot be evil? John Wayne Gacy & Jeffrey Dahmer were both evil gay/bisexual serial killers. Not all storylines involving gay characters have to be socially responsible or politically correct, especially on soaps. Maybe Big daddy Reilly should have made it into a love story, in which Chad and Vincent fall in love, and then have Spike find out and decide to kill them for being bisexual? Would that have been a better story?

If rumors are true, Vincent was severly abused as a child, possibly sexually abused. So it would be plausible that his sexual orientation would play a HUGE part of his reason for doing the things he is doing. These kinds of things happen in real life. And if the story does turn out like this, I give major kudos to JER for telling this story, which is truly a daytime first.

of course, if posters are at home thinking of their own family members and whacking off, i can see why their sense of reason is in the toilet.

Okay that's just nasty. No one here said anything about being sexually aroused by incest

Passions can have all the daytime firsts it wants but if the story sucks it doesn't help. Outside of a few people on here and a clear minority of fans, no one thinks most of the stories on Passions are good. Vincent/Chad is interesting due to the soapiness but giving it an incest angle butchers any interest I have.

The rape, misogyny, and violence still bother me...so much so that it ruins my investment in this stalker tale. I liked it last month when it was about blackmail, murder, etc. When it focuses on sex, the rape angle, and disturbing things like that I can't stand it.

This show focuses way too much on sex and in a bad way. It's one thing to have a little fun but they are pushing it and why is rape, sex, assualting, etc a part of nearly every story. Variety, please!!

Sheridan, Chad, Fox, Miguel, Kay, Julian, Ethan, and soon Fancy (and we all know that horrible spoiler/rumor will come true just to continue to the rape parade) have all been destroyed. Let's also mention they ruined Al big time by making him so one note and over the top it made him irredeemable. Theresa has lost her spark and is so watered down Lindsey clearly has no idea how to rise above it anymore. Jared has become a waste and Stevenson is being wasted. Juliet Mills and Nicole Cox do absolutely nothing, which is sad and appalling. Oh, and just because Liza Huber is gone does not mean you don't have to use Andrea Evans. More Rebecca please. Same goes for Pilar. Give me her and Ivy. Mix things up a bit.

It's sad because I love the actors and the show has so much potential but it's so hard to invest and get into the stories. I hope Passions is able to shock me and impress me even a little before it goes off or moves on to some other medium. Just give me a little something so I am not totally down on the show.

Now the identity of the person is not the big surprise here, but the connections I made to discover his/her identity are.

The night she was murdered, Rae saw someone she recognized at the Blue Note and was surprised to see that person. Later, after her murder, the news reports made a point of calling Rae Thomas a "gay and lesbian rights activist". This implies heavy activity in the GLBT community.

Now, we know Vincent is gay or bi because he's sleeping with Chad. And we also know that Vincent was at the Blue Note with Valerie the night of Rae's murder. It's not too hard of a stretch for Rae to know Vincent through the gay scene. Rae, knowing Vincent is sexually confused (hey, she worked at a bar, maybe she offered him bartender advice), may have known he had a tendency towards sexual abuse and figured out he raped Fancy.

Perhaps Vincent moonlighted as a drag queen, which is why when he's in stalker mode, he's half-man, half-woman.

Now you're probably wondering why he'd want to rape Fancy. Easy. He's working in cahoots with Pretty, who was so traumatized by the sexual abuse inflicted on her by Fancy that she's desperate for revenge. Vincent and Pretty are even manipulating an unwitting Sheridan, and taking advantage of her jealousy to achieve their own ends.

Another point: we know, or will soon find out, that Eve and Julian's son was abused as a child. It's not too much of a stretch to guess that Vincent is their son. Perhaps the abuse was sexual and has had a terrible effect on his psyche, causing him to lash out at others in violent ways.

And because he is potentially sexually perverted, that might explain why he'd want to rape his half-sister Fancy and have sex with his uncle Chad. Also, as a gay or bi man, it's not much of a stretch to believe that Vincent would find the hot, hunky Ethan attractive, attractive enough to want to keep him the hell away from Theresa and Gwen.

I just covered all my bases. The stalker is Vincent, he's Eve and Julian's son, and he's a drag queen.

Well it sounds like Vincent just might have SOME excuse for his vile behavior as well as a different dynamic to his homosexuality. But I wonder what Chad's sudden homosexuality is all about? Doesn't this mean that both Chad and Vincent had adoptive parents? Maybe Chad was sexually abused too! All of this is baffling and I can't wait to find out where it all leads.

I should point out that being sexually abused doesn't "make" someone homosexual. Likewise, homosexuals aren't gay "because" they were sexually abused. So I'll actually be pretty disappointed in JER if he goes this route.

I should point out that being sexually abused doesn't "make" someone homosexual. Likewise, homosexuals aren't gay "because" they were sexually abused. So I'll actually be pretty disappointed in JER if he goes this route.

Oh I know that but it actually seems like this may be where all of this is going. But it's all up to you isn't it Rion/JER?

Yes, of course I realize Adam and Eve had to get it on in order to populate the earth. That's common knowledge. However, considering that that was billions of years ago, and as I see it, the world has no problems with its population, incest is not only unnecessary, but disgusting and unnatural. The End.

Sorry, Hogan, but the mainstream media loved the shocker of Chad and Whitney being revealed as brother and sister -- and I just KNOW JER somehow, even on his own show, was forced to rewrite that. I just know Chad was the real, intended Evian son. But since the show is being canceled, I'd bet money he made Chad gay AND Vincent the Evian son just to stick it to NBC so he could have his dream shocker incest storyline -- and make it all the more shocking. Frankly, I give him kudos for doing it.

I should point out that being sexually abused doesn't "make" someone homosexual. Likewise, homosexuals aren't gay "because" they were sexually abused.

Only about 10% of abusees become abusers

It really sucks that the only good character JER has created on this show in five years is going to be ruined by the fact that she molested her sister.

This storyline had a lot of potential. A serial killer storyline could have done wonders for PSNS, especially in the show's final months. But now, it's a serial rapist, and it's a mess. JER has ruined this story like he ruins everything else.

And Pretty or Vincent is probably the analrapist. But I will hold up hope for Beth posing as Sheridan. At least that won't suck as badly.

It really sucks that the only good character JER has created on this show in five years is going to be ruined by the fact that she molested her sister.

This storyline had a lot of potential. A serial killer storyline could have done wonders for PSNS, especially in the show's final months. But now, it's a serial rapist, and it's a mess. JER has ruined this story like he ruins everything else.

And Pretty or Vincent is probably the analrapist. But I will hold up hope for Beth posing as Sheridan. At least that won't suck as badly.

You're kidding, right? Because I'm pretty sure Beth as Sheridan would be an awful rewrite. Beth wouldn't know about the wars between Pretty and Fancy, only Sher-Sher would.