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Phaedra is just so bizarre, she's like a caricature, I don't think she's in on the joke: it's all her. Nene, I feel for her, she seems really genuinely hurt and disgusted by Greg. But what the hell is up with Cynthia's geriatric fiancée, what an !@#$%^&*]. Kandi is really boring, Kim is still a lot of fun, Sheree and Dr Love are gross, she can do MUCH better.

ATL: Phaedra's baby shower was INSANE. I absolutely loved Kim's reaction, there's this one moment where she notices the ballerinas behind her and her eyes slightly widen. I have watched that one moment a number of times and each time, I laugh. Phaedra is so over the top and full of herself, but in an amusing way. I loved Nene high off her medications after her nip/tuck, she was hilarious. I'm so glad Lisa Wu Hartwell isn't on the show anymore, such a full of sh*t bitch with nothing to back it up. BH: I really liked the episode, I didn't find it dull. I think the show is building up slowly. I LOVE Lisa, she can do no wrong, her comment about Taylor's husband had me in stitches. She's also in on the joke about her love of pink (the cotton candy) and how she's too old for going to rap concerts ("the only world I can understand is 'mother------'".

Lisa Vanderpump is 49. So she could be Joan and/or Jackie's daughter.

Birds of a feather, flock together. Love, love, love, Lisa. I wonder how old she is...

I have been having Real Housewives marathons with my own real housewife! OC: Can't wait for the upcoming season now that my girl Jeana is back! NYC: I finally got caught up with the last season, I LOVED it. Such anger from all the women but most especially Alex, so personal between Jill and Bethenny, such drama with Kelly and Jill and Bethenny and Alex and Ramona and LuAnn. The addition of Sonia was fabulous, she's a riot. It's definitely the most 'real' of the shows if that makes sense, these women are never acting, they are straight up. NJ: Once again, a really entertaining Italian melodrama! I love Caroline Manzo, she's like my own mom. I have to wonder how this show will do without Danielle, but that chick is just way too crazy to deal with. I wish Teresa had beat her ass instead of pushing Andy Cohen and Kim G (what a pot stirrer she was!)...sad to lose Dina, but maybe she'll be back. DC: In the end, I really liked it. The reunion shows were definitely the best part. I love Cat and Lynda, true bad asses. What I really like about Cat, in contrast to most other housewives, is she talked smack to everyone's faces, not behind their backs. The show should have the Salahi's back simply to expose more of their lies and bullsh*t. It is clear that Michaele and her husband are absolutely deluded liars. ATL: One of my faves of the bunch, have only seen the first two episodes, Nene and Kim are stars! Don't miss Lisa (full of sh*t) Hartwell at all. Phaedra is terrific. Cynthia doesn't add much (supermodel? really?), Sheree is such a mess (actress? really?) and Kandi continues to be the one with actual talent. So looking forward to the third and fourth episodes and really the whole season, it's looking GREAT. BH: I love Beverly Hills! Though, as far as I can tell, none of these women live in Beverly Hills (Lisa and Adrienne live in Beverly Park, a guard gated enclave in the Beverly Hills Post Office that's home to MAJOR money, Camille is in my hometown of Malibu, Kim, Kyle and Taylor all probably live in Beverly Hills Post Office or Bel Air)...but I love this show. Lisa is basically the sister Joan and Jackie Collins didn't have (well actually, they do have a half sister, but she's nothing like them!), I just love Lisa. Adore her. This season looks fabulous.

I love that episode too! It showed so much about Alexis and really nothing new about Blake. He was who he was. Alexis was who she was because of what life did to her.

You're right, that's likely what John and Linda thought. Except, boo hoo for them, it was in the ratings toilet when they had the reigns. That is a brilliant analysis of Krystle and Alexis. I always felt that Krystle was simply out of her league, knew it and was deeply angry and frustrated and ultimately, resentful. Alexis, on the other hand, was written as such a bitch on first glance, but with her children, grandchildren and lovers, she was so opposite: warm and caring and affectionate. I really recall Alexis' first or second episode where she and Steven talk about how she told him as a child that she had to leave him to find a rainbow to paint...Steven asked her if she ever found that rainbow and Alexis demurred. Joan's best work was Season 2-4. After that, the writing got too broad. But for those 2 years, I really think Joan deserved an Emmy because her work was that of a seriously good actress. You see, Krystle fought with her fists because she couldn't express herself emotionally, she just erupted. Alexis, on the other hand, always fought with her tongue because she knew exactly how to get under Krystle's skin. Alexis understood and expressed her emotions, Krystle bottled them up.

John and Linda would have FLIPPED THEIR SH*T if Joan had got an "And Starring" credit. Apparently things were tense enough with Joan getting the 'And' credit. I really admire actors like Emma Samms, Pamela Bellwood, John James, Diahann Carroll, Jack Coleman, Stephanie Beacham, Kate O'Mara and Michael Nader who, though they'll never say Joan was a saint on the set or in real life because clearly she wasn't, defend her and freely admit that she 'made' the show. It shows the lack of ego they have. I have never, ever heard Linda Evans or John Forsythe admit that Joan 'made' the show what it was. And what's more interesting, Joan's never said she 'made' the show either. She let her work speak for itself.

So wait, was James Farentino actually AFTER Joan in the credits at some point?! I thought Joan always had the 'And' credit! Joan has been friends with Michele Lee since Dynasty...not sure how they hit it off, but they've been very good friends for 30 years.

It is a really amazing scene and it would be an interesting thing to study in a media class. The portrayal of a woman in a 1980s melodrama versus what we have today.

I think the only way a remake of 'Dynasty' is if Joan and Heather were both interested in it and both Alexis and Sammy Jo were the matriarchs of feuding families. Linda Evans, frankly, is too ugly to work on television thanks to hack job plastic surgery. The key is that Joan and Heather would have to be secondary, not primary, characters. Heather would get the 'with' credit and Joan would get the 'and' but they would NOT be the main characters. The problem then is finding actors who could stand toe to toe with them in terms of charisma and star quality, actors who could CARRY this kind of show. Joan is 77 and Heather is 50 next year, neither of them is going to CARRY a show anymore but both of them are big draws to very loyal audiences. Heather was one of the parts of the rebooted 'Melrose Place' that was, basically, universally liked. Joan is the kind of actress who people 30+ recognize instantly and remember fondly...and let's face it, regardless of what network executives would like everyone to believe, young people don't dislike old people, if anything, Joan Collins is the kind of senior citizen that younger people love because she's glamorous and current, she's a fantasy all grown up. The other problem is that it would be an inherently expensive show to produce and I don't know if any network would have enough faith in it to see it through what would be a rough first season. Now, if Showtime or HBO wanted to launch this show, it would fly. I don't think a remake of 'Dallas' would work nearly as well simply because it was such an iconic show that I think captured a really specific time, it said something about greed. 'Dynasty' didn't say much about anything, it was just FUN to watch!

As Sylph posted in August... "So take this junk and your blond tramp and get out of my home!" As far as I'm concerned, that's the line of the series.

I finally watched Barbara Windsor's last episodes and I was really impressed with them. She did a wonderful job (albiet rather hammy when the Vic was ablaze) with work that was nuanced, sad and effective. The writing definitely did Peggy justice. I wonder where EE is headed now. It has to be a whole new era.

Is it just me or is DC rather boring? I like Lynda and the British one (is her name Cat?)...but the rest are just so dull. Michaele reminds me of Morgan Fairchild if she'd never been born with a sense of humor and on speed. Looking forward to Atlanta, should be terrific. And lest we forget, Beverly Hills is on its way. That one is going to be stupendous.

Absolutely. She's a terrible actress, nobody is disputing that! And you got what I was saying SFK, Raquel takes herself too seriously and it kills her acting. She DOES look like a million though...interesting that she's alone.

OH that sums it up perfectly. Raquel Welch lacks the ability to create the confident *wink* to the audience that Joan Collins excels at. I think the comic touch Joan has is what sets her apart, she plays her 'bitch' roles with a sense of joie de vivre, coupled with aggression. Raquel Welch, on the other hand, always comes across as so mannered, so studied and so damn stiff. Raquel Welch ALWAYS plays the part exactly the same. Be it comedy, drama or soap, she IS Raquel Welch. She is so [!@#$%^&*] serious, it drives me crazy. She has absolutely no sense of humor which I think is deadly. I wish I could like her, but I just NEVER, ever, have.

No response to my thoughtful post Sylph?

Yes, being a Dame seems less than likely, I think Joan's OBE was recognition from the Conservative Party, a nod from HM, a wink from Prince Charles, it is enough for her. I think the aforementioned wanted it for her, wanted her to have something to show for a lifetime's service to British fabulosity. No, she doesn't quite pull off an aristocratic role because she's too bold, too outspoken, too Hollywood and too much damn fun. She's exceptional at playing a self made woman because that is in her DNA. There's a sense of reserve in aristocratic people. Some call it snobbery, some call it dignity, other's don't know what to call it, but it's evident. Nan Kempner could have played a Duchess without even trying, it's just who she was. What's interesting is the number of aristocratic people Joan counts as friends. I'm sure they find her very amusing and very much unlike themselves. I think it's worth pointing out that for all their aristocratic wealth and prestige, Princess Margaret, Diana, Princess of Wales and Sarah, Duchess of York, likely would have traded everything for the life Joan's lived. While their lives have been devoted, to one degree or another, to a sense of duty, Joan Collins has been able to live her life on her terms and with a duty only to herself.

Al was very good casting, looks wise, but he looked like John Forsythe's son and Forsythe looked like a good 'ol boy if there ever was one. It would be priceless if she was Baroness Collins, but that's not going to happen (though she does have a friend in David Cameron). I think Joan Collins OBE would be just delighted if she finally managed to become Dame Joan Collins.

What I don't understand is why anyone needs to be 'greater' than someone else, just seems petty.

You will indeed. You're gonna LOVE it. Now, I didn't make the statement about Al Corley not being aristocratic, but I can see CarlID2's point, Corley was very plain spoken and didn't seem particularly interested in the world around him, so far as the interviews I've seen of him go. Oxenberg's royal lineage is interesting, but I don't understand the jab at Collins being the daughter of a dance teacher and agent, both those things are perfectly respectable jobs and Collins has lived a very cosmopolitan life.

Yes, they do. Heather Locklear and Catherine Oxenberg share one scene in particular that you'll LOVE.

That was a great twist wasn't it? And the way Alexis reacts, it's epic. Michael Nader and Joan Collins had the best chemistry between two people I've ever seen. I would have liked it if they'd actually gotten together in real life.

Birds of a feather flock together... Speaking of aristrocratic actors, Christopher Cazenove really didn't like working with John Forsythe and much preferred working with Joan Collins. Love her or hate her, Joan is fun to work with, which is often half the battle on a big show like Dynasty. But still, Locklear and Collins, I wonder how those two got along?

I've actually heard that Pamela Bellwood wasn't well liked by the producers and half the cast. Aaron Spelling found her difficult to work with and when you consider who Aaron Spelling worked with over the years, that had to mean something. The cast was split into two camps from the second Joan Collins joined the show. There were the cast members who were on John Forsythe's team and then there were those who were behind Joan Collins. It's not hard to decipher who goes where... Forsythe: Evans, Martin, Oxenberg, Locklear Collins: Nader, Thompson, Corley, Carroll, James, Samms Very evenly matched in terms of who mattered. Pamela Bellwood and Joan were actually very good friends on and off the set. The one relationship I've always wondered about is Heather Locklear and Joan Collins. I do know Locklear has given Collins credit for helping her sculpt the Amanda Woodward character, but I've always gotten the sense that Joan intimidated the hell out of Heather and that Heather gravitated towards the more docile Linda Evans.