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Hahahaha, yeah.

Y&R 25% good, 75% garbage time

Were you all checking for J. Eddie Peck BITD? I didn't get his appeal back then and I still don't.

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I believe Roger's fall off the cliff in Santo Domingo was Douglas Marland first major storyline at GL.

@soapfan770 1980s Fridays went from Dukes of Hazzard/Dallas/Falcon Crest to new hotness Miami Vice then TGIF comedies. 1980s Saturdays went from Aaron Spelling hit factory to The Golden Girls.

We saw in the 1980s daytime ratings thread that CBS changed their daytime schedule plus changes to the daytime soaps themselves and ABC eventually lost their momentum. Exactly.

1982-1985 CBS had success with action shows Magnum, P.I. and Simon & Simon, but then post-Super Bowl 1985 The Cosby Show blew up and weakened Magnum, P.I. and 1985/86 Cheers took off and clobbered Simon & Simon. Fall 1985 until the end of the decade that CBS struggled with dramas. Of all the dramas launched in that period, the longest running was Jake and the Fatman (5 seasons). It's so funny how the fortunes of CBS primetime lineup and CBS daytime lineup went in opposite directions in the 1980s. CBS primetime lineup started the decade riding high with Who Shot JR but was an absolute mess by the end of the decade. CBS daytime lineup started the decade shaken by the huge rise and dominance of ABC but ended the decade #1 with all four soaps hitting their stride plus the game show block. That was mostly due to the Aaron Spelling hit factory, but Brandon Stoddard and Robert Iger put an end to that. As we all know NBC was a mess until The Cosby Show came along and that lead to NBC Thursday dominating primetime for the better part of the next 20 years.

Come to think of it, the only game show hosts of that generation (as in age 80+) that are still with us AFAIK are Wink Martindale and Bob Eubanks.

Lance was a suave sophisticated wealthy businessman. Lucas was a rugged elemental sailor. Lance was the older son but in real life John McCook is four years younger than Tom Ligon.

Wasn't it rumored that Victoria Principal missing episodes in 1986 was due to cosmetic surgery? She was 36 in 1986 so I don't think she would have a face lift that early. We all know her second husband was a plastic surgeon so she had access to the best surgery and skin care.

Next week is a short week and no holiday classics. I'll be getting a lot of stuff done in the two days without Y&R being on PB 35th anniversary is November 27 but he's not getting a special episode that day it seems. Maybe his anniversary episode is the following week then.

1988 writers strike was March 7 to August 7, so almost half of 1988 was strike material.

Here's what happened on the four soaps the week of November 14-20, 1983. Dallas - Ray's Trial: J.R. is despondent after losing the fight for Ewing Oil. Bobby meets Jenna Wade again. Ray's trial begins. Falcon Crest - Solitary Confinements: Julia begs for protection. Maggie and Chase exchange gifts. Maggie makes a discovery about Lantry. Terry leaves for Tuscany Valley. Knots Landing - A Change of Heart: Diana tells police about Ciji's death. Mack convinces Karen to see a doctor. Gary pursues Cathy, Ciji's look-alike. Chip escapes. Dynasty - Tracy: Alexis realizes that Adam has framed her for Jeff's poisoning. Denver Carrington PR assistant Tracy Kendall is jealous that Blake has given a job she wanted to Krystle. Mark badly suggests a reconciliation between him and Krystle. AfterMASH first season was Monday 9 pm, but the second season it was moved to Tuesday 8 pm. CBS struggled with sitcoms for most of the 1980s. M*A*S*H ended. The Jeffersons, Alice, and One Day at a Time fell out of the Top 10 and eventually ended. Kate & Allie started good but couldn't maintain its momentum. Newhart was up-and-down. There were some signs of life with sitcoms at the end of the decade when Designing Women and Murphy Brown started showing growth.

I did not like Ridge taking advantage of Caroline after she had overindulged in champagne, especially when considering she had been raped a year earlier. In Bill Bell's defense that was during the writer's strike so who knows if it was even his idea.

Bill Bell craziest parent/child casting when it came to age was John O'Hurley (born 1954) as father to Peter Barton (born 1956).

My feelings exactly.

Rumor I read was that Bill Bell saw that Marguerite Ray wasn't connecting acting-wise with Victoria Rowell. Marguerite Ray was born in 1931 and Veronica Redd was born in 1948, so yes Marguerite seemed more maternal aunt whereas Veronica seemed more older sister.

I remember JC ranting to the soap press when Nick/Sharon were eating the show, saying that the show was now "The Young and the Rest of Us".

@Maxim I can't believe you actually came up with something positive about Bradley. Can we think of anything positive JFP did at any show?

@Paul Raven Thank you for the K.T. Stevens article. Her IMDb page has very little after Y&R, even though she lived another 13 years after her run on Y&R ended. From the Vanessa scenes that I've seen, K.T. Stevens had primetime soap matriarch energy, but the only primetime soap role she got was guest star on Knots Landing.

Y&R thrived for the most part from 1983 to 1998, except for Cricket eating the show from second half of 1986 to end of 1989 and going off-track second half of 1994 through first half of 1997 (Summer 1994 frat party, Fall 1994 to Spring 1996 Nick/Sharon eat the show, lull from Fall 1996 through first half of 1997). I never thought of Blade/Rick as being a response to Reilly Days. I always figured it was the frat party that was to get the younger audience away from Reilly Days.

Bill Bell wrote Bill/Laura rape storyline that resulted in Mike but did Bill Bell write Bill/Laura marriage?

Larry Hagman song seems like a take on My Favorite Things from The Sound of Music. His mother played Maria in the original Broadway production.

Also CBS.