P.J.

He shows up briefly after M*** comes to town. I assume it's so M*** can spew about his daddy issues and how that led to his own misspent youth and ghosting his family. *rme*

Shows ignored plenty of actresses' pregnancies over the years. Unless Larkin knew he was going to be the loser in the latest Reva war, why wouldn't he gamble on a front-burner triangle? Kyle and Reva had an established fan base. Alan didn't have that.

I think Nola says she has no memory of Tom and/or picture of him or them together. If there was 5-8 years between Tony and Nola, there's probably at least one child between them. Poor Bea--she must've popped out those kids like a PEZ dispener. I guess I can understand Larkin's reluctance to do another baby story on the heels of the Ben story. I'm surprised TIIC would want to do another baby story. Although I guess they do that all the time--it took me years to realize both Billy and Eleni are stuck in marriages because their SO made up a baby lie to keep them in '92-'93.

True true! I remember Mo would talk about taking care of the "new baby" when they came. I just couldn't ever recall Tony calling Mo his big sister. When Marland wrote ATWT's Snyders, he had that lineup down cold.

Not to mention how entitled Crystal Hunt's version of Lizzie was. I really hated when they got the simplest things completely wrong. One of the few bright spots of those last two years is Billy's mentoring Lizzie, because she reminds him of Mindy.

I feel it's around the time Calla erased (switched) Dinah's blood type from the hospital computer. But just spot checking, I don't see it in my playlist.

The house Billy bought for Vanessa after their 2nd wedding. I swear, it was also where the last scene between Jordan and Maeve was before he left---Billy shows her the house, she throws her arms around him. "I'm throwing my arms around you, ungrateful wretch that I am, and telling you that I love you MADLY." [!@#$%^&*] GL for being so cheap they had Vanessa screwing that miniature garden gnome wannabe in that house.* *Sorry, not sorry, I'm in my feels today. BTW, was there ever a birth order given for the Reardon children? I assume Jim and Sean were older than Maureen, but where did Tony fit in? Nola of course, was the baby (before Chelsea came to town anyway...)

Strangely coincidental to say the least. I didn't realize there'd been anyone between CB Barnes (who I remember) and Andy Kavovit. But there you are. lol.

That kid was from Texas TOO? Aye Carumba.. Funny thing, Fiona is also a nurse in '86, and has a brief scene with Van and Henry.

oops..nevermind.

Oh, I knew the show tried selling that everyone considered Matt a good guy. And good enough for Van. (Why the guy can't find employment outside of Van's ex-in-laws is a question though...lol) HELL, at some point after Matt and Van divorced, Matt is back working with Josh and Billy...and in '08-'09, Billy goes out of his way to twice inform Matt that he's got his sights set on remarrying Vanessa.

Long returned in '87. This has to be a mid-late November episode, as it's after Sally's death and Reva mentions Alan and Van's engagement. The episode Reva referenced (Alan paying her for a "bedtime story" ; a story about her being bought a meal when she's a pre-teen by an older man) was August 12, 1987. Long's first episodes blew up Josh and Reva over Marah's supposed paternity and Ross and Van over her being involved in Alan's problems and not committing to Ross.

Harley Venton. Your criticism of Marland's era is valid, but otoh, those characters are free to cross in multiple ways. Van and Josh are backbiting each other at Spaulding, hanging at Wired for Sound, and causing waves for others (Josh causes problems for Kelly/Morgan and screws Carrie; Van is constantly interfering in Henry's search for Quint and trying to rope Tony). Tony has his family, gets some adventure with Quint and is flirting (and more) with plenty of women. While Long gives all of them love stories, (and I feel especially by that point, Vanessa really needed one) everyone ended up islanded. Tony and Annabelle can't generate story after Barbados, Josh slips into the void of Reva, and there's been plenty of criticism of Van's neutering. Hill and Leslie Ann end up dead, and Trish's romance with Ross stalls inexplicably. Obviously, no one bats a thousand. But I also feel that under Long, Spaulding and Cedars lose some of their prominence in Springfield. And just to circle back to the lack of friendships in Springfield, the only friend I ever recall Josh having in his entire run (outside of Billy and Van) is Will Jeffries, who wants to kill him. LOL.

I don't think Suzanne was ever meant to be more than a short term character. They tried much harder to make Johnny and Calla work, giving them families, etc. with mixed results. I'm not sure Suzanne even got a reason for working with Roger, other than the plot necessitated it.

I don't think anyone could've sold a triangle with Jim and Fletch. Oy... It's not like they didn't try and hook Hil up---she had an immense crush on Kelly that went nowhere, she flirted with Josh, she had a relationship with Derek and then Jim and Fletch. And there's a little something with Tony. If they hadn't killed her off, she might've been able to come in and fill that void after Mo's death.

@DeeVeei wish there were more if Ross and Justin up to watch. Theres stuff up around Diane's murder, and Carrie and Phillip, but it's not very much.

I think Chris and Beverlee were fantastic. But there are times it's hard to buy that there's anything other than hate between Alan and Alex. It's Alex six months of helping to kick Alan out of Spaulding, and turning around and saying she loves him. Like HUH? It's odd--maybe it's just that there's not a lot of their earlier relationship between Ed and Mike to see, but I completely agree---there doesn't seem to be a lot of affection there. And when you add Hillary in, I don't buy them as caring about each other very much at all.

I do think GL does some sibling relationships very well. Frank/Harley, Josh/Billy/Trish, Rita/Eve, and probably Tony/Maureen/Nola.

It's hard to believe she does. Maybe she's miffed if they're (at least Alex and Van) worried about the hospital's reputation more than Ed. (I think Ed is also embroiled in the Charlotte Wheaton case by this time.) Between Ed and Claire, Reva at least interacted with Claire a little at the time of Josh's accident. I doubt Ed and Reva ever interacted over more than some treatment she needed. He does come over the night her PPD showed itself at the country club, but it's off-screen. Or maybe it's just an excuse for the writers to script some random music video-like scene. Other than the Lewises and Spauldings, the people Reva's surrounded by in her stories are used up by the end. It's Kyle/Maeve/Sally, Will/Sonni, Annie, Dolly, the San Cristobal group, Jeffrey...they're not the core of the show. Even the other Shaynes who drift in and out...Cassie probably comes closest to being a part of the show's core. She at least manages to have stories outside of Reva.

eh...McTrash. Explains a lot. Y'know that episode where Reva and Phillip dance all over the Blue Orchid (where Kim shimmys like Tina Turner?) Reva supposedly is upset that Alex, Van and India are gossiping about Ed (I guess after it comes out that Claire's pregnant by him). But I've never found the entire eppy in English to see what they say. It's arguably the most interesting thing about Richard Van Vleet's Ed. lol

It's not exactly that I forgot that this was the finale week for both ATWT and GL, ....but it was the finale week for both shows.

Well, I don't doubt whoever was writing at that point (Weston?), probably barely knew Reva's history, much less her relationships around town with people. Or Lillian's for that matter. I guess what I'm asking is, was it Lillian that viewers might've still be sore at, or was it a skewed version of events? Because (and depending on when this is, before or after Reva's skulked around town for months avoiding her kids and still plans on leaving) Reva's past is, to politely put it, checkered. And honestly, in any discussion of her past, it'd be hard to avoid the less than admirable parts. And I'm making the assumption that Lillian's included because she and Annie are both nurses, and have some kind of relationship. Personally, yes, at times Vanessa became a bigger saint than Mo, and I wish she would've let it rip a little more. The way she went out of her way to "understand" Nadine made me sick. So if Van let a little bit of personal knowledge about ol' Reeve out, I can't say I'm sorry. Van put up with a lot of her crap too.

I just gotta ask the question---is it really possible to "trash" talk Reva? Vanessa could've told the unvarnished truth about her ex-sister-in-law, which was sordid enough.

Yes, Lillian was. Why? Probably mostly due to Hawk. Wasn't this also shortly after Beth's "death", where people were worried about her? But otherwise, no Reva and Lillian never really developed a friendship. They probably had some kind of scenes, many years later when Reva had her cancer story. But other than Alex (and, of course Maureen), I can't recall Lillian having a friend. And of course, Reva was too busy creating her own messes to care about someone else's.

I'd love to believe that TIIC truly valued the vets. But I am surprised how many really popular characters they chose not to recast. Rita and Hope head that list.