P.J.

Oh...I guess I missed that. Damn, the one time I wished Roger's lie was true (Van not wanting anything to do with **** , LOL) Otherwise, I'm not sure why they were that surprised. Roger swore up and down that he saw Van leaving Springfield after she supposedly died. Only he'd just had shock therapy or something. thanks for letting me know!

Jenna was one of those over-the-top characters that just never quite fit on the canvas, no matter how hard they tried. I know the writers tried selling Van and Jenna's friendship, but not even for Henry's sake would Van have befriended that woman. Not been a complete bitch to her....sure. Support her over Nadine? YEP. But more? Nope, not 'Nessa. Re Holly: I can't recall the particulars, I'm guessing this is the fallout of her exposing Ross and Blake? The thing about Roger was that even if he had some justified position or concern, he just couldn't help but twist it to his advantage. He was only in the position to fire Holly because he deceitfully became her and Ross' "silent partner". @alwaysAMC you're going to have to tell me if people ever find out that Roger visited Vanessa. I kinda doubt it.

Was that the joint interview with Liz Keifer and Wendy Moniz? I recall Liz mentioning in some interview that she didn't like having to say those things as Blake. I think that's also the interview where one of them says how out of touch the writing was surrounding Van's memorial service, with everyone so blase about the fact they thought she'd burned to death in an accident.

Who was talking about Warren? He shows up earlier than I thought, he's in the June 22, 1983 episode.

Holly was always all over the place. It's right around this time that Van tells her that she thinks her and Ross would be good together, and Holly kind of off-handedly admits that they're not even dating. But three months later, she's all upset that Blake and Ross are mattress dancing. *shrug*

I couldn't stand Jenna. She and **** would've been perfect together. lol

Reva Shayne would've been a grandmother before she was 40. She was pregnant at 17, and Dylan had to be about that age when Daisy/Susan was born. LOL...just realized that Reva had four children after Daisy/Susan was born!

Poor Ross---always wanting some wounded dove, always fascinated by some scheming seductress.

I'd love to see more of Amanda and Lucille's relationship.

I feel like we all have overhyped '89-'93---it'll never live up to your expectations.

Kat was Kathryn Speakes, played by Nia Long, and Hamp's daughter. She's Bridget's friend and dated David (Monti Sharp). I think Nia left in '94, and they didn't recast. Billy's diction at times is bad.

Like, which CBS publicist ghostwrote this column? I agree with Dee---Kelly and Morgan were wildly popular, but Vigard didn't have enough charisma? *sideeye*

I can see your point about Andy and especially Mark, who has an oily charm about him from minute one. (Poor Van, at times, she seems one date away from a Looking for Mr Goodbar scenario...) I don't really recall Andy interacting with Barbara or Holly much, which you would assume they'd do to try and flesh out the character's motives. Even Roger had Adam. It's not that I can't appreciate Cullen's presence in Springfield,, but for the most part Amanda is such a victim that it's hard to believe she'd ever get it together enough to run a international business competently. She's never dynamic, even when screwing her mother's husband. I don't think it would've been hard to refresh the viewer's memories of Diane Ballard, even in the late '90's. You still had Ross, Vanessa and (sometimes) Ed for flashbacks (although I can't recall Ed and Diane having scenes), and Alan was still there as a character.

Is it possible that Billy meant Kat? I know Hamp did have a son that we never met, but I don't remember a name or nickname for him. Sometimes they don't explain nicknames though---Hamp occasionally called Billy "Blackjack", and I've never caught the explanation for that either. While it would've been a classy move to acknowledge Vince Williams' passing, I can't recall other shows acknowledging a past cast member's death. Yes, Chris Bernau had been gone a year, but Alan was still on canvas. Charita had been off-camera, but they listed her in the cast for quite a while, I think.

Saints preserve us! Me too!

I've never heard any official musings on why Andy was so quickly kiboshed. Diane, Roger, Alan all spent years wriggling out of trouble. I don't think Ted Lepat is the problem. The story might've been a little more tawdry than the GL audience was used to, with the repeated connection to everyone's sexual frustrations and his abusive behavior toward three women. Marland's villians aren't his strong suit. I can't think of one on ATWT that was really ever seemed to be built to last. For the most part, they're short term like Tad Channing or Brock Lombard. Tonio Reyes was the walking equivalent of cardboard. He infamously switched the killer in the Carolyn Crawford because of Rex Smith's popularity (ugh...the man couldn't act) The story was that Sophia Landon Geier wanted to leave. And I can see why she would've been hard to recast. I think it would've been a hard sell to just ship her out of town. I think it would've been hard to keep Carrie viable, even with a successful treatment. What do you do with a "healthy" former split personality? She's not OLTL's Viki, with a long history of stability for the viewers to trust in. Is Mark Pinter the problem, or is the story is too convoluted and implausible? I'm sorry, but I think Jennifer and Amanda are both hard sells as a third leg in a love triangle, and putting them together in one was a huge miscalculation. Snoozeworthy is the kindest way to describe that.

Andy Norris didn't click with the audience? Or Marland just decided his newest toy (Carrie) was going to suck up plenty of airtime? He's already laying the foundation of Andy's return a couple of weeks later, with a letter to Barbara where he declares he really did love Katie. The fact Andy never made a return might've actually worked against both Katie and Trish's development. I must not've been paying attention because of Anna Stuart. I didn't realize Vanessa sent Ed the entire letter that Rita wrote, where she declared her love to Alan. OUCH. Damn, Vanessa---you should've thought that one through. I thought Van just sent him Rita's San Fran address and telephone number. And re: Carrie's murderous intent---I just rewatched some of that. She's quickly unspooling and getting more violent, isn't she? She's practically throttling Vanessa, and while Sara's talking to her she's eyeing/got a gun within reach. And I know Carrie nearly attacks Ross with a scissors. I could see where he's building to Carrie attacking Jackie.

I don't think Warren started until 1983. It was right around the time Henry had his first heart attack, so August. Sigh.. I know the agony of hopes. Someone posted a full length eppy from the day in 1989, when Billy and Josh are arguing after Josh found out Billy was Dylan's father. UNFORTUNATELY, it's the entire news conference that interrupted the show, plus what had already been up. but they also posted a better version of Reva telling Billy...so it's a wash.

There were times Phillip was drunk, and it was not pretty. He was actually drunk at Billy and Vanessa's party and throws gas on the Reva/Josh situation. I think he's also drunk at the Founder's Day party and comes on to a girl and is berates her when she won't sleep with him.

i personally know that '96'-first 3/4 of '97 were not good for ATWT. If '97 was Annie, then I understand why Logan (who I assume was TVguide) and SOD would've been tempted. SOD always was kind of a Reva-sycophant.

I think Carrie refusing to eat was later when she was in the psych ward. No one realized there were split personalities until after they had married and "weird" things started happening to her. First Ross suspected Vanessa was stalking her, but then she started getting caught in lies and had gaps in her memory. And she started propositioning guys.

*clunk* I should've had my V-8 this morning. There's about six months before the nuMindys come on. MOL must've wanted to leave in '91.

I'm not sure there is a point when all the Musketeers are off the canvas. There's a stretch where it's only Mindy in the '90s, but someone mentioned that Crampton and O'Leary had scenes before she leaves. And then some combination of Phillip, Rick and Beth are on until the end of the show.

Yes, Diane knew about Henry having an illegitimate son and that he was keeping it from Vanessa. I'm not sure if Diane knew about Vanessa's faked suicide attempt, or about her having Joe steal the letter from Rita in Alan's apartment and sending it to Ed. I know Diane had visited Andy in jail to buy the information that he had, but I'm not sure she ever directly threatened Vanessa. Vanessa knew that Diane was threatening Henry because he changed his position on a business deal. Carrie wound up with Diane's briefcase full of blackmail (either she took it from Diane's or she took it from Joe's, I forget) bits. There were tapes of Alan's confessing he'd helped Roger or something, stock that Henry had signed over to Diane, etc. Vanessa later found out about Quint when she was helping Ross pack up Carrie's things. A note fell out of Carrie's wallet mentioning Henry's illegitimate son. Vanessa was devastated. And that "accident" stuff never made sense. One is an accident. Two is not.

Phillip also ended up in a psych ward. Once when he thought Beth was alive and Blake had him committed to keep him from finding her (he was also doing crazy things like digging up her grave to prove she wasn't in it.) and then after Alan shot him and faked his death. Phillip was acting crazy and I think he kidnapped his kids and Jude (Rick and Harley's son) and Alan stopped him. (don't worry, it doesn't make sense to anyone either, but GA was leaving the show.)