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Time to permaban the endless J*nny and co. sockpuppets. Permanent, not just rolling temp bans from posting. We all know who they are so why they weren't simply removed years ago is beyond me.

The Kyle/Fish story was poorly received by bigots in middle America, which is why it was curtailed. Not the same thing. A lot of the audience loved it, but it was divisive. I don't think you can call it not adventurous when it culminated in the first gay love scene on daytime TV and a mass LGBT wedding in Angel Square years before gay marriage was legalized. Meanwhile, Luke and Noah consummated their relationship by jumping on a bed.

The problem with Luke and Noah were they were often very neutered and safe characters, as titan said above, with incredibly poor writing and stories at that juncture. The show prefabricated a couple they expected fans to go for sight unseen and didn't bother with truly good stories. They also had actors who, particularly in the case of Silbermann, often seemed like they really didn't want to be there. Any potentially spicy or exciting stories for them, like Luke's dalliance with Laurence Lau as his grandmother's new paramour, were ended quickly, just like any other potential good story on ATWT in its final years. The show was unwatchable to me. If I wanted vanilla gays I'd have watched them. I didn't because the show sucked and the story sucked. OLTL's Daniel Colson story was a mess for different reasons detailed by several of us, but it wasn't because the story wasn't about saintly cardboard cutouts. Most of us around here have been eager for gay villains on soaps for decades.

Of course they are. That doesn't change the fact that the OLTL story could've been great and sucked because of the exploitative way in which it was told with nihilistic violence and endless humiliation for beloved characters like Nora, and also because we didn't know or really care about either Mark Solomon or Colson. Both were introduced on the show in the prior year and both were supporting players with minimal development in several unpopular storylines. It wasn't just irresponsible, it was poorly constructed. Its failure isn't because we only want to watch saintly gays. I've been for darker LGBT characters since OLTL originally planned to make Rex Balsom a gay villain, and so were other fans when that scuttlebutt became public all the way back in 2002, several years before the story you are invoking. So the claim that gay people just didn't want to watch those kind of gay stories is simply untrue. The story sucked because of other reasons that do not prove your point.

That fix is definitely coming in both print and screen, I'm sure. If they even hint at Magneto in this series I may die. Came across a toy leak (Funko Pops) for a minor easter egg for the upcoming show, and it made me scream.

Oop! Wrong thread.

This is an excellent idea (along with the Super Bowl thing).

A bold take as always, John.

Whatever! Same difference.

Miller, who was roasted even by the Beltway press for kowtowing to Trump via AP, is now trending over this.

Jen Psaki is a beast.

I almost took for granted he'd be around. What a legend.

Don't forget crying, crying, always crying throughout.

Totally did not recognize little Luke from the amazing Haunting of Hill House as kid Billy/Wiccan!

I was pretty sure it was coming based on rumors, but woo are we through the looking glass. Incredible performances all around this week, esp from Olsen and Bettany, and Teyonah Parris. Monica has it on lock! I love how much focus she is getting up front. The beat with her reacting to mention of Carol was quite weighted and I suspect we'll be seeing her dealing with what are clearly strong emotions in future. Did Carol's powers give Maria cancer?

I think you can very easily have the show focused on Hayley/Mateo, Maria/Edmund, Kendall/Bianca and Angie/Jesse's progeny while having the elders in tentpole roles. It's what should be done.

People are bamboozled by her bloodline. There is nothing there and there hasn't been since she was first SORASed. She has no personality beyond being a joke and every storyline she's ever had has ended in miserable failure. Melissa Ordway has the range and depth of a pet rock. I know who fucked to give birth to Abby. I know how much potential she SHOULD have. It doesn't matter. She doesn't have it now. She's been onscreen for what, over a decade? And everything has been a disaster. The actor is bad. The character is nothing. Countless legacy characters in daytime (hello, Sarah Webber) have been deemed radioactive with far less airtime and exposure. There is nothing you can magically retool here on a dime. Abby needs to go away for a long time. Move on with your lives!

A classy line from the above, too. I understand the nature of the beast and that the next generation has to drive it, but I'm not interested in a revival that is purely Riverdale-esque, or CW 90210 in nature where the vets are simply relegated to talk-to roles for teens and twentysomethings. That doomed 90210 in particular. So I really hope it's more complex than that. You don't bring Susan, Eva and presumably people like SMG on without giving them actual story.

This week's sitcom opening sequence is a very obvious homage to Family Ties! And the theme song is, God help me, an earworm. I never thought I'd see half of this onscreen and it makes me emotional! I grew up with Marvel Comics.