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BH had a couple of other highlights. We got to catch up with the Work of Art: The Next Great Artist's China Chow (an old Bravo favorite of mine). She's dating Billy Idol who is not aging gracefully but still may look better than John Mellencamp these days. I was interested to see backstage at The Greek. They've redecorated the green rooms and they are nice. Also, I am always happy to see Gladys Night. BH never admits that they're drunk (cue the champagne and tequila with no food and screaming baby) when they fight. I am sure if Kyle were sober than she would have jabbed PK right back.

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Amusingly, Owen Beckman has his Y&R publicity photo on IMDB, but not the credit https://www.imdb.com/name/nm2124304/ I had forgotten ATWT had so many Lucy Montgomerys ( Amanda Seyfried (1999–2001), Peyton List (2001–05), Spencer Grammer (2006), Sarah Glendening (2008–10) and Jennifer Munsons ( Michelle Ann Nemeh (1990–91), Sara Garney (1992–93), Brianne Sassone (1993–95), Alexandra Herzog (1995–99), Kim Onasch (1999–2002), Jennifer Ferrin (2003–06)) - dates from wiki unverified

My first impression of S1 is that they had a huge robe budget, everyday Ridge and Thorne are lounging around in new robes, perfectly opened. I'm seeing the inspiration for Brooke's bedroom line, the Forresters only wore office suits or swimsuits. Every episode seems to be directed by a fan of Alfred Hitchcock, breakfast scenes are shot from above, intimate discussions are framed by shadows. We are always looking up Stephanie's nose or down Brooke's chest. Also, the Caroline/Ridge foray seemed similar to Nick/Grace on Y&R where it only makes sense if they did "it" from behind. Those Bell Blondes were freaky.

She could have designed jeans for Gina or worked with her mother at Armonti, but the only job I recall was when she was Adrianna's overqualified fake nanny in Paris. She also miscarried Robert Barr's baby right before Flame shot him. I just find it remarkable that there are no memorable scenes between the two sisters. When Kelly is at the asylum and then in Europe, does Eden ever ask about her or try to reach her?

I feel like Dan Gauthier's Kevin is in a similar boat with Laurence Lau's Jamie (AW). They both played a completely new iteration of the part, but their charm made their characters appealing. Stephen Yate's Jamie (and those cutoff shorts that are forever burned in my memory) was my favorite because he was the most like male-version of Rachel; a little neurotic, a little artsy, driven by jealousy. So, when Larry Lau came on as Dr. Jamie it seemed like a totally different character. Yes, Rhonda Lewin, September 23, 1986 - December 29, 1986, the Vicky who almost slept with her uncle

According to Soap Central, it was an even dozen Morgan K. Melis (1976 to 1982), Chris Cunningham (1982), Jonathan Brandis (1982), Ryan Janis (1983 to 1990), Matthew Vipond (1990), Joey Thrower (1990 to 1992), Kirk Geiger (1992 to October 17, 1994), Jack Armstrong (1994 to 1995), Ken Kenitzer (1995), Kevin Stapleton (January 1996 to April 1998), Timothy Gibbs (April 1998 to March 2001), and Dan Gauthier (June 27, 2003 to November 2010) Unless you consider the genetic likelihood of fraternal twins where one is blonde and one is ginger, but given their nontraditional gestation and insemination, I'll let them get away it

I think it is interesting that Erika was an actual (wealthy) housewife who consciously wanted to be famous. When she talks about Erika Jayne as "a project", it seems cool that she had to find Mikey and hire her whole crew from nothing, given that she was a Pasadena lawyer's wife. I don't think you could give $35,000.00 to just any lady from Pasadena and they would become a star. I've lived in LA for decades but I don't know where I would get a custom vinyl catsuit or hire someone to produce beats for my own dance track? However, what drove her to be a pop star at 35 is also what makes her unapproachable now. There is so much artifice that it is difficult for her to appear sincere. When she said about Teddi, "that's not what she told me in my chapel" I cracked up as I do every time she sips champagne for emphasis. In that way, she reminds me of Sheree, she is better in confessionals than with the other women. Who could forget Sheree post-who-gonna-check-me-boo, when she asked, "whatever happened to customer service?" I don't get Tom, Erika's husband. They introduce him as the guy from the Erin Brockovich trial, but Edward Masry is who is portrayed in the movie by Albert Finey, and he is the one locally who became famous for the trial. So who is Tom? Also, I've read the gossip but I don't put any stock either Erika or Kyle trying to avoid discussing their husband's lawsuits because those are both businesses with big liabilities and I would bet that there is some constant civil action against either of them. I can believe PK and Dorit live strictly on credit and with one lost payment the whole charade goes up in flames. But Tom and Mauricio seem solidly rich. And then Lisa and Harry (Freakin) Hamlin probably bought that house in Beverly Hills twenty years and they could live off the equity if all else fails.

Obviously, there were a million actors who played either Tom Hughes or Kevin Buchanan. And, there are a few thousand more who will play Kyle Abbott. However, I'm fascinated by the parts that got quickly recast numerous times, like Daniel Romalotti (3 adult actors on Y&R), Sharon Newman(4 actors on Y&R) or Dawn Winthrop (4 actors on GH). As I recall, one of the Daniels never made it to air and SOD didn't have a picture to publish for one of the Dawns because she was replaced so fast. I guess with Dawn they threw in the towel once Gloria Monty reappeared. However, I wonder why shows persist with characters who need to be recast more than once in their first year. I can't think of other examples, (and it may have been a luxury of that time in soap production), but early frequent recasts seem like a soap history staple

I don't know, there are a lot of episodes left in the season and every year you have to separate the wheat from the chaff. I think Vangie's Snatch Game is a great example. Ru mentioned that she auditioned with Latoya Jackson. I'm sure it was very funny on video, but who knew that she wouldn't do it when it came time for the show? I'm interested in Nina West. The other queens seem to know her because she has done drag for years. I appreciated that she changed her padding based on the judges (I wonder how difficult it is to pad differently once the dresses have been fitted?). However, her paint is so weird, especially when she makes her lips into a scowl. I get that she is going for camp rather than fish, but that makeup is ragged. It makes me wish for earlier seasons when Anastasia of Beverly Hills came in to teach them how to do eyebrows or Charo taught them how to walk. Since season 7 everyone is expected to show up fully formed, I like when people like Alyssa come in to give actual advice rather than just using obtuse language like "step your !@#$%^&*] up." I think Evie and Silky would benefit from learning more about makeup, or at least alternates to the only way that they know how to make themselves up.

I would bet it was never established that CC only had one sibling, there could have been Grant, CC, Bibi, Deedee, and EE Capwell(named for the poet).

I don't pretend to know what the Dobson's motives were, but I think it was a mistake not to relay more on Grant's (CC's brother) side of the family rather than keep recasting Capwell kids and finding the various long lost children of CC. Eileen could have been Courtney and Madeline Capwell's older sister.

After posting in the recast thread it got me thinking about Kelly Capwell. Robin Wright's Kelly was an unevolved ingenue just there to be saved by men. Her Kelly had very little personality until she met Pearl. She and Eden were like two princesses in a castle and neither was jealous or envious of the other. I just re-watched the episodes after Joe dies, and Eden tags along while Marcello tries to therapize Kelly in the tropics. Eden is much more concerned about the threat of Marcello than she is with Kelly's weakened emotional state. In fact, I don't recall one scene of them alone together consoling each other. Then we get the first re-cast and during the Jeffrey/TJ period, Kelly is still just a pawn in a plot to be saved every few months from sure death. Carrington plays the dynamic with Eden and in my opinion, really knocks it out of the park when playing with Roscoe Born. Playing against Roscoe as Quinn pretending to be Robert, Carrington never seemed dumb. In fact, she was the only one who could tell the difference between the two brothers. Then, Eileen is cast and Kelly becomes oddly interested in Capwell Industries, Cruz, and a few murders before ending up with Conner. It is weird that Kelly never had a kid or a career. She never had a specialization. She was never consulted on the family business. I think CC valued Ted's advice more than Kelly. It just seems like if they were going to lay the future of SB on Kelly after Eden left than they hadn't set her up independent enough to carry the mantle. Besides Robert Barr's house, I can't think of a significant period of time when she didn't live in her father's mansion. Eden was the apple of CC's eye, Mason was the runt, Ted was the fun-loving younger brother, and Kelly lacked a distinct personality. I would submit that Gina, CC, Ted, and Warren were redefined by their recasts, but Kelly remained ill-defined no matter who played her.

I'm not sure if you intended to discuss temporary or permanent recasts but I thought that I would tackle recastings amoung the Capwell Clan of Santa Barbara CC - Jed Allen balanced the gravitas and the sexiness of CC. By contrast, Paul Burke seemed like mutton dress as lamb when he was going after Gina and Peter Mark Richman looked like a lecherous old man with Santana. Charles Bateman played CC's stern side well, (especially in the scenes when Mason outed Channing), but he lacked the sex appeal to force Sofia to choose between him and Lionel. Kelly - I prefer Carrington Garland, even over the original Robin Wright, mostly because she played the dynamic between Kelly and Eden. Two girls growing up in a single-father household would have tons of issues with competition and sexuality. Carrington played that motivation more than the others in the role Ted - he was such an underdeveloped character that the switch from Todd McKee to Michael Brainard just seemed like a de-SORASing of Ted Gina - Robin Mattson brought a sensitivity to her relationship with Brandon that was not there when Linda Gibboney played the role. I think if Gibboney had persisted with her manic/panic style of acting than Santana would have been a much more reliable alternative to raise Brandon and Gina probably wouldn't have lasted until the end. The worst recasts: Scott Jenkins as Warren brought a skeeziness to the character when he tried to seduce everyone he met. He was such a miscast that they even threw away the set used as Warren's bedroom and never re-used it. John Novak as Keith Timmons was too young and he only played the angry Keith, not the clever/funny Keith. And Tea Leoni, interesting actress, unfortunately, brought in to wrap up the Lisa Dinapoli storyline and then disappear.

You are correct because Eden's first wedding happened before Mary's death, so they must have rebuilt and then abandoned it once Johnny's opened.

Eden's Orient Express burned down during her first wedding to Cruz and they never rebuilt it. Maybe Mary was haunting the hallways? It took SB a few trys to find a central meeting place for the characters. The Beach Bar was too youthful and too seasonal. La Mesa and The State Street bar were very small sets and filled with riff-raff like Gina's drug pusher. I am always amused that every bar/cafe had to have a pay phone for characters to call each other. I will give the scab writers credit for revisiting Mark's death later with Mason when they found the remains of Pamela's lover and Scott's father. That story was poorly finished but an interesting callback all the same. I appreciated that throughline that CC supported the nunnery because they had provided childcare to the Capwell children; presumedly when Rosa was out sewing her wild oats.

I recently re-watched the falling C episode and it doesn't hold up. Contrary to my memory, they never actually showed the C fall on her. It blows in the wind, and they stay on the roof so long that something was bound to happen. The twist is that it looked like Mason was going to be the one in danger based on the promo. Mary was the Job of Santa Barbara. Not only was she from modest means, but her sister was raped, her father died in an earthquake, and both of her brothers were killed in the same year. She was a nun who was raped, held hostage, accused of tampering with CC's medication, and forced into marriage with her impotent ex-husband. The man who she truly loved was an alcoholic and he was the only poor Capwell in town. I think the falling "C" was a fitting ending to such a sad life.

Today I learned: Mac got it on with Elizabeth Love? What a cad! ANOTHER WORLD: Week of February 28 - March 4, 1983 (a few weeks into the introduction of the Loves, right after Steve's death, and Rachel is blind) Felicia warned Cass she won’t tolerate him seeing other women; but he secretly bedded Cecile. Mac convinced Sandy to have a blood test. Using an accent, Mac got close to Rachel by posing as hospital administrator John Caldwell. Larry was pleased that RJ wants to follow in Bob’s footsteps and be a cop. Donna was interested to learn that Mac once loved her mother. Liz was smitten by Mac’s British novelist pal, Reggie Fearing. Rachel had therapy sessions with Linda Taggert. A couple of thoughts: (a)How did Mac find the time to be at the hospital every day and practice an accent? (b)How amazing would it have been if Peter Love was the red herring in finding out that Sandy was Mac's son? (c) Subsequent writers always forgot that Mac didn't move to Bay City until right before he met Rachel.

Looking back, SB is not a show that was remembered for its great twists which makes me wonder about the quality of the writing? It seems well established that the Dobson's quiffed the first mystery - Who shot Channing? - by stringing it out too long with too many red herrings and recastings. By the time Cruz solved the mystery one year after the start of the show, Joe had been dead for three months, and 18-year-old Channing Jr turned out to be a switched baby, father of a newborn, gay. thief, star student-athlete, who was blackmailing his neighbors. However, SB was always a show that seemed to clue in the audience rather than traffic in surprises. For example, viewers knew that Sophia was Dominic, Brick was Channing, and Brandon was Santana's son within the first weeks of the show. Even Pamela's return was less dramatic because she interacted with a few characters before she appeared in the courtroom for Elena's trial. I guess Madeline killing her husband was a bit of a surprise, but most murders were solved by the time they went to court. For every Robert Barr in a cage, we mostly got stories where main characters were falsely accused and their innocence was never in doubt. I'm not saying that twists indicate good writing, but it is difficult to remember any SB twist as particularly eventful. Good cliffhangers (the earthquake, Eden's fall, Elena's death, Dylan falling out of the window) but not really great twists.

I think the recast works mostly in the post-murder scenario. Jake forced Paulina to marry him in order to avoid prosecution (which as I recall is one of the few times in soap history where nobody was ever punished for her crime). Cali played the dynamic as Paulina was a victim to Jake's threats, however, at the same time, the writers were trying to resuscitate Jake as a romantic lead after he raped Marley. Judy's performance was much more like two con artists trying to one-up each other. I don't like any of the follow-up of Judy as Paulina, (including that they lost the thread that she had been raised in South America), however, I understand the need to play the character as more self-assured. I think it falls apart quickly with the introduction of Ian Rain because they try to play Paulina as a seductress again when she had already been played a bit ruffer. I don't think the Amanda/Paulina relationship should have built upon competing for the same guys. I would have preferred that their differences were based more in their upbringings with Paulina being more street smart and Amanda being more traditionally educated, and each learning the lesson of how to rely on each other's strengths. It did not work as well that summer when they were both flopping around the Cory pool (or the Harrison mansion) trying to out coquette each other to compete for a guy's attention. At those times it was difficult to differentiate Paulina from Vicky, and they should have been two distinct characters.

There were significant changes starting in 1981 with the Writer's Guild that standardized these types of roles in a writing team. So, stuff before 1981 could mean anything.

I think it is such a weird idea because neither series seems to be in regular reruns on non-antenna-driven channels so, how will young people drop into the concept? I doubt the average 20-year-old knows who Archie Bunker is, let alone recognize a recreation of Archie. I know the set is at the Smithsonian, but I don't know any other modern reference to the sitcom. I am intrigued, but I don't think that I am in the target demographic. I guess Norman Lear owns everything through his production company, but is CBS going to allow them to use archival footage, or will there be no illusion to the old series? Also, I'm OK with a live audience but hasn't Rent taught us that the actual show doesn't need to be broadcast live?

This is what I still don't get about the remake - are the characters destined to same fate simply because they share a name with a character from the original?

It was always amusing to me the lengths that soaps would go through to have non-white second wedding gowns I recall when Blaine (AW) and Marlena (DAYS) wore light blue poor (GH) Bobbie had to wear pink and mint green and I recall Alice wore yellow to her second wedding to Steve(n)

two thoughts: There is a lot of talk about how bad Snatch Game has been. However, I think that what we remember are good individual performances, but someone has to be bad at it every season for there to be a show. I was impressed this year with the makeup that certain queens used to look like their counterpart. I am equally horrified at how few people remember Joanne Whirley. I also think that Rupaul's random judgements are part of the parody that Drag Race is trying to be. It seems like the fanbase gets invested in the competition and forgets that this show started as a camp version of Top Model and Project Runway. It seems as if some viewers are missing a key part of the humor which is that they are commenting on the state of reality competition. It is an entertainment show masquerading as a competition but somehow that gets lost in conspiracies about whom is sent home when.