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With munecojim's channel now gone, so are years of Loving episodes. I didn't save a ton of their channel as I didn't have the space, but I think I saved most of the Loving material. If they don't start a new channel somewhere I will try to upload what I saved, if no one else does.

I read that munecojim is now gone and Bob TV is gone again too. So is ClassicOLTL. I don't know what's happening. I find it hard to believe P&G suddenly cares about their soaps. Is this another type of crackdown from Youtube? Old episodes of GL, AW, ATWT, etc. are the main thing that has kept me going in recent years with the soap landscape such a wasteland. That and the excitement of knowing something new may be uploaded somewhere. Now people are going to be much more scared to put up any content. We are given so little to enjoy these days but corporations want to squeeze out every last drop.

Thanks. I thought so. Also, is the other man Henderson Forsythe?

Is Forrest Compton in this ad?

Oh I never got to watch most of them either. Oh well. It's a shame that GH episodes have joined the list of no-nos in recent years. @AdelaideCate007Archive.org seems to let you upload them.

I was joking about the castle and Beau/Pam/etc. as I think you've talked about how bad that stuff was before. I agree Michael Swan probably would have been better-suited to a more dashing era of GL - maybe a rival to Quint.

I see that Lisa Rinna's daughter is 'dating' Scott Disick. I feel like Lisa is going to regret many of the choices she has made with her children. Disick has a very dark energy around him, as do much of the family IMO.

@OzFrog https://slate.com/culture/2020/11/leta-powell-drake-interview-viral.html

Brief clips from an episode...and look, @Mitchit features your two favorite character groups of this era. I wonder if the actors ever got tired of some of these songs. I think that is the second or third time I've heard that song.

Sorry to hear about your ex, @Vee. I hope all will be well. Sheila Kelley will always be Gwen on LA Law to me. Must be a terrible time for her (and poor Richard Schiff).

Musk is a complete scumbag who only got where he is because of loans from the Obama administration (no word if they also bought his hair transplant). I'm so tired of the limp dicks of this country hyping him and his sham, exploitative businesses.

I still hope they turn up someday, just for the sake of completism. I also want to see more of Terry's mother, who was interesting (mostly because of the odd choices of the actress).

@NothinButAttitudeI think it may have been me. There was a Soap Opera Weekly item at the time which criticized the show for this choice.

It was always very limited and lazy to assume Kamala Harris was VP to run up the score with black voters. I think she was a big part of why Biden did well in the suburbs and probably a key factor in Georgia as well. There's a lot of effort to prove she didn't help enough when most VP candidates are not there for that purpose. The main problems are downballot - they will be lucky they won't have Trump on the ballot again in 2022 (and possibly not 2024), as he clearly drives up GOP turnout, but they have huge messaging problems and that's only getting worse.

I'd also be interested in knowing Lauren's thoughts on working briefly with Monti Sharp. (Lauren had a very sudden exit from the show - I believe she signed a new contract then was fired not long after - but I assume she will talk about that anyway)

My best to you and your family. I was reading an article about COVID cases in the Midwest, and how many people there don't care about wearing masks or not eating indoors, etc. because they don't want to live in fear, don't want to make their children live in fear, figure it's going to happen anyway, etc. It's very sobering, because you can tell even if there is a reliable vaccine, many will never change. I also read this tonight, from a nurse.

I didn't know whether to put this here or in the BLM thread, but the Proud Boys went around tonight in DC stabbing and assaulting people, with the cops on their side.

That's a good point. I didn't want to ramble on even more than I already had, but I should have said I feel like the plot device facility for Lucinda ramped up heavily around the time of Duke's arrival. Up to that point I think Marland gave her a little more character-based writing. Of course, the show became more blatantly plot-driven in general around then, IMO. I don't mean to make requests of anyone, but I almost never make the chats. If any of you happen to be on the one with Cassandra and Lauren and Napiera, can you ask Cassandra and Lauren what it felt like to play rivals early on and if they got any type of fan response? And also just asking Cassandra what fan response to her was like, as she seemed to be very unpopular online at the time (the character, not the actress), from what I remember, until they moved her away from the Lily and the Andy and Ben storyline.

Marland was involved with firing Liz from The Doctors, IIRC, so there's some baggage which likely overshadows her memories of those years. I do think Liz had very exacting standards for Lucinda. For instance, when they had the story of Lucinda going to therapy (which I think Hubbard had asked for) and they had the flashbacks of Hubbard as Lucinda's mother, she was unhappy about choices like bottles of beer laying around to show her mother was a drunk, as she thought this was cheap and so on. I do wonder if she sometimes felt like Lucinda was a plot device, rather than a character. As much as Marland always took care to give her some lovely moments (especially when Lucinda lost Walsh Enterprises), I can see her point. These standards are one of the reasons I'm half-surprised she stayed through the show's last decade, but I guess by that point the financial compensation was too important to give up.

Thanks! Yeah I've seen a different Advil ad with James too, I think. Never knew he did that type of thing. He was a good actor before he started to get a bit too hammy as Trevor.

Is this Nancy Stafford in the Clarion ad? I keep thinking no, but then I'm not sure.

Mariah had been looking for her video for Underneath the Stars for a number of years. Somehow I guess she finally found it, and uploaded it for fans.

One of the things that irritates me about certain Obama-era strategists, like David Axelrod and David Plouffe (who wrote a much-circulated, very damaging op-ed jeering Biden and his campaign people for the "basement strategy" which went on to help Biden raise a great deal of money and increase his favorable ratings) is that they have a very absolute view which isn't as absolute as they want it to be. For instance, his talk about how shocking it was for Democrats to not have their emerging majority built by demographics is Absolutism 101 - that was in no way shocking because people have been discussing this for over a decade, when the permanent majority that some hoped for after Obama won imploded only two years later. Some Democrats likely had their heads in the sand about the desertions of minority voters (especially Hispanic voters), but it wasn't anything that was new, and treating it as such just gives an overdamatic feeling to the piece. In this case, I do agree with some of his points (especially about how much power television still has, and about Florida, which, again, we just need to abandon at this point), but his going back over and over to the idea of college elites running the party is a talking point that is regularly used to hurt the party and people who would be helped by it. He is saying the exact same things that the champagne socialists at Chapo have been saying to try to rally leftists into stopping Biden's plans to ease some student debt - that it is elitist and that most voters will resent people who went to college getting some of their debt eased. He also does not mention that many of the rural losses did not have abrupt changes from 2016 - these were places that had started to swing away much earlier (especially during the time he himself was a strategist for Obama). So it goes beyond saying well this is happening because out of touch collegiates are alienating rural people. They are being used as a bogeyman for class warfare that will just further divide a badly divided party. I think there is too much emphasis on sophisticated messaging of the GOP - no one gives a damn about Ted Cruz, who lost a primary that he should have been highly favored to win because he was such a deeply unlikeable person. This was not a year where sophisticated messaging won the day - the GOP doubled down on a conspiracy theory that tells people many Americans are killing and drinking the blood of children they traffic. Their bright new faces are the likes of Tom Cotton, who advocated for soldiers declaring war on peaceful protestors, and Josh Hawley, who said that no judge should be chosen unless they oppose all forms of abortion. Their main figurehead was a hatemonger, so vile this year that even some of his supporters pined for when he was more "joyful" in 2016. But it didn't matter. They still romped downballot, because you don't have to be a sophisticated messaging system - you just have to have media control and you have to hate all the right people. I also agree with him about "defunding the police," which was always a terrible strategy, always terrible optics, right from the start where millions of people would have seen a video of Minneapolis' mayor, essentially, a cute, innocent-looking white guy they would probably wave at across the street, being shouted down and berated by a jeering mob. But what isn't said in the piece is that yes, while Democrats do need more message control, you can't convince far left activists to tailor their views (many of them hate the party anyway) nor can you convince the media to not equivocate them to being the Democratic mainstream, or voters from falling for it. It doesn't make good material to just say "there isn't much we can do about this," but in many cases this year, and going forward, that's what it boils down to.

In case you see that Charles Koch puff piece going around...

Samuel Alito, who has become so openly loathsome in recent years that I have a feeling he is unwittingly pushing several extremely conservative justices away, has things to say. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/11/alito-federalist-society-speech-insane.html