1 hour ago, kalbir said:

It's coming across that Nicole is having a ho phase, which is ridiculous at her big age. That's s--- you do in your 20s, not when you're a grown ass woman of nearly 50.

Now to be fair... it DOES happen. Heck, it's happening for some folk even as I type this.

I think the way that Lia is written and presented works because she's designed to be a short term character ( I think she lasts airs in May if I'm not mistaken) so her being a bit more board/sinister is acceptable because we know she's not designed to be long term vs SPS who the show insists on keeping yet refuse to reign in the actress nor write more diverse content for the character to justify keeping her on canvas.

As opposed to Hayley, who gets fiesty and mouthy when she's either with Lynette or Randy.. yet presents herself as more doting/slightly subdued when she's with Bill or the other characters. We're getting different sides to the Hayley (Val- didn't Lynette call her that) so she isn't being a cartoon. I'm glad the show backed off the poisoning Bill story somewhat because that would have written her into a corner.. though I expect that will come back to her haunt her down the road.

May seems to be a big month since the character of Lia is set to end her run in May according to the cast write up when she joined, the Cotillion is happening, and I'm sure other things will pop in May... though I still wish there was a bit more staggering of the plots so that March had something going for it other then the Anita story and to a lesser extent Derek's journey post Ashley and moving into a new career.

Tomas vs Hayley has been interesting... it's where AA's 'approach' seems to work best opposite MG's approach as Hayley. I hope they continue to have run ins in the coming weeks... and I'm hoping for another Derek vs SPS run in since he seems to push her buttons in a way that no one else can (plus, we did get a break from her this week).

2 minutes ago, Soaplovers said:

plus, we did get a break from her this week).

Thank you for THAT tea. I could use that break when I start to watch this week...which appears to be up this week. Go on you, CBS.

1 hour ago, kalbir said:

It's coming across that Nicole is having a ho phase, which is ridiculous at her big age. That's s--- you do in your 20s, not when you're a grown ass woman of nearly 50.

Nicole did live a rather proper existence and married young. People like that tend to go a little wild if they get divorced. Not everyone has a ho phase but it's an option that could manifest itself later if you don't live it in your 20s or 30s. 50s are considered more vibrant these days, but on the flip side I look back at how "The Golden Girls" was written and the girls were portrayed as being very liberal when it came to sex so this idea has been around for quite a long time.

I don't have a problem with her cutting loose and being a single sexually active woman. I do have a problem with her acting aggrieved like the guys are the problem in this triangle, when she is the one actively pitting them against each other every week and gleeful about it. Then she 180s and lectures them about not vying for her attention.

That's exactly it. I have no problem with Nicole having sex all over the place. No sex shaming here at all.

It's the way she's treating these guys that's a huge problem, and I wish both of them would tell her to eff off.

I don't even like Carlton, but Nicole has made me sympathize with him, and I will never understand Kial giving Nicole a key to his place. That's just nuts when she's not exclusive.

That's the issue I have too. Then again it does make for a good plot because it's reversing the typical story of a man being a player and toying with women.

2 hours ago, ranger1rg said:

I'd rather recast and keep the Tomas character around. I think there's a lot he can do and interfere with.

Killing him off? Aside from Kat, who would care? How would that impact story?

YOu dont need to have people care about a character to kill them off. I outlined what it would impact and it would be about Hayley and Lynette plotting together with actual stakes that put them on even ground. The charater is a dud and should be dropped. After a year, the fact that no one would care except Kat is testament to that

37 minutes ago, Vee said:

I don't have a problem with her cutting loose and being a single sexually active woman. I do have a problem with her acting aggrieved like the guys are the problem in this triangle, when she is the one actively pitting them against each other every week and gleeful about it. Then she 180s and lectures them about not vying for her attention.

Nicole was TRIFLING as hell to not disinvite Carlton to the Easter brunch. She legit picked an argument with him and sent him home and never communicated where her head was at. Instead she goes and sleeps with the other guy and waps him in as her date without informing Carlton about that. I did feel bad for him today. That was nasty work and all bc she ddint like to hear about herself

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41 minutes ago, ReddFoxx said:

Nicole did live a rather proper existence and married young. People like that tend to go a little wild if they get divorced. Not everyone has a ho phase but it's an option that could manifest itself later if you don't live it in your 20s or 30s. 50s are considered more vibrant these days, but on the flip side I look back at how "The Golden Girls" was written and the girls were portrayed as being very liberal when it came to sex so this idea has been around for quite a long time.

Same. Complete with the human mistakes that come with it.

4 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

it would be about Hayley and Lynette plotting together with actual stakes that put them on even ground.

Same.

4 minutes ago, Cheap21 said:

The charater is a dud and should be dropped. After a year, the fact that no one would care except Kat is testament to that

Very.

If the Hayley/Lynette/Randy story concludes without Tomas getting knocked in the head, the writers have missed a wonderful opportunity to get rid of the show's most irritatingly bad actor in a memorable manner. Likewise, if the Plasma Thieves Storyline ends without Derek in a body bag, they've missed a golden opportunity to get rid of another dud.

So if Hayley and Lynette plot and kill Tomas, what are the actual stakes? How does that put them on even ground?

All that does is make both characters murderers written into a corner. They're already on even ground now -- they each have a lot of dirt on the other.

Look, I'm hardly a Tomas fan, and I've been complaining about Alex Alegria from week one, but I don't see how offing him creates any decent story.

We'll just end up with Hayley and Lynette arguing over drinks at Uptown. We already have that.

I think the "stakes" could be an interesting story if Tomas suddenly stumbled onto the full truth about Hayley, Lynette, and Randy/Sammy --- and then ended up dead. There's no honor among thieves, and each of the three would blame the other two for killing him, while the audience remained in the dark about which of them (if any!) actually offed him. This would bring Kat deeper into their orbit as she attempts to figure out who the three people really are and what Tomas learned about them prior to his death.

1 hour ago, Broderick said:

f the Hayley/Lynette/Randy story concludes without Tomas getting knocked in the head, the writers have missed a wonderful opportunity to get rid of the show's most irritatingly bad actor in a memorable manner.

Same.

24 minutes ago, Broderick said:

I think the "stakes" could be an interesting story if Tomas suddenly stumbled onto the full truth about Hayley, Lynette, and Randy/Sammy --- and then ended up dead. There's no honor among thieves, and each of the three would blame the other two for killing him, while the audience remained in the dark about which of them (if any!) actually offed him. This would bring Kat deeper into their orbit as she attempts to figure out who the three people really are and what Tomas learned about them prior to his death.

Exactly! Given this story has been running for a while, the stakes have already been built in...regardless of how haphazard the writing has been...of when someone would realize Hayley's true nature. At times, it could have been Dani. It could have been Madison. It could have been Bill. And there have been those near misses...on screen to boot. Add on Lynette herself as a complication straight out of the 90s DAYS handbook. So it was actually inspired that the writers landed on TOMAS of all people. Like I said earlier, bad actor yes, but the writers are letting Tomas be the person who has gotten the closest to discovering the truth. And he already knows too much. We can't have that. So he has to go!!! And noticing how quickly Kat's Veronica Mars side picked up on his suspicions, she could be the next person to try to figure it out...upping the stakes even more because she's a lot more important on the show than he is. Her being in Hayley and Lynette's crosshairs immediately ups everything by her very connections to everyone on canvas.