GH: February 2025 Discussion Thread

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

Dominic is still sexy and virile, and can be played that way if they choose. Giving him Gio hurts him and Lois. Brook Lynn is a lost cause as long as Setton remains in the role, which is sad because she should be having sexy, mischievous capers on par with a Brenda or someone like Anna Kendrick/Blake Lively in A Simple Favor.

Yes!  Lois is in the age range of slightly older than Brenda but younger than Sonny.  Apparently she's decided to live like a nun for the last 25 years outside the Alcazar romance-which we won't discuss.  

Rena is hot and should be considered viable.  I was thinking today she projects years younger than her own daughter and not because of Setton's wardrobe.  Just because Lois seems fun and men should be knocking down her door.

2 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Rena is hot and should be considered viable.  I was thinking today she projects years younger than her own daughter and not because of Setton's wardrobe.  Just because Lois seems fun and men should be knocking down her door.

They'll just put her with another random recurring guy Frank likes with no real story and call that 'writing for Lois'. It's the same reason we're expected to clap away for Tracy being shackled to the newly non-Southern Martin instead of having a major story. (And tbh Kevin and Laura are a version of the same.)

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5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Michael/Morgan were definitely younger.  The original limo sex was to usher off Dylan Cash as Michael when he got shot in the head.  I get your point though.

Thanks. I thought it was somewhere after her relationship with Jax. I may be thinking of some later moment with them. 

5 minutes ago, Vee said:

The only aspect of Gio and the mob I think would be a worthwhile angle to explore (and one Guza would absolutely do if he were here) is Sonny sort of sublimating his past failures/losses, etc. with Michael, Morgan and Dante and his need to produce a true heir onto his new grandson. Gio is basically a sweet summer child, an innocent and happy go lucky young man whose current persona largely coasts on Giovanni Mazza's very winning performances and chemistry with the cast where the writing fails him. I can see Sonny trying to groom him into the life (as he did Jason) and Dante and Lois, etc. reacting. That's the only angle I would pursue, but I would not make him part of the mob. Gio would turn away from that.

I do think Gio going full Euphoria/Skins (or Danielle Manning, IYKYK) and becoming a drug-addled playboy or club kid when he realizes his entire life is a lie is something GM could also play. Nor would it go against his current energy onscreen, but I think Mazza has proven recently opposite Braedyn Bruner that he can do more. While that holds true soon, we'll see.

Well, they were actually both still kids then IIRC but that was a very different time and a very different show. Sex and real stakes were still a major part of GH in those years - or even in the Carlivati years when the boys were adults, when both S&C had wild flings with Ava and A.J. The GH of today, since at least 2018-2020 if not earlier, is often thoroughly desexualized and seems highly avoidant of any edgy content. Brook Lynn is presented as lacking even the sex drive of Kelly McGillis' Amish mother in Witness.

That makes sense as a story idea for Sonny and Gio.

The show has such a confused relationship with the mob, because you will still have a few characters who protest the mob for brief story purposes, but never in a manner that feels like a point being made - Jagger hated Sonny but he was meant to be a prick, Sasha doesn't want to be tied to the mob but she is fine with Jason. Yet the mob is still inescapable because it's just blended much more into the canvas than in the days where characters like Edward or Alexis were putting them on blast. So I don't think you could have a story today like Sonny grooming Stone and the different reactions those around him had...but I think there are scraps which can be found if the show tries, even as they will never actually be against Sonny.

I do remember when Dante was meant to be more sexual. Given Sam's sexier pairings in the '00s it's too bad they never did more with a more erotic element between them. 

I guess it's just not a part of GH anymore. Or any soap, frankly, not only in the US, but internationally. As we're in an era where gen Z is asking to bring back the Hays Code, I don't see that improving.

3 hours ago, carolineg said:

Hope not about Easton.  I would be more upset about having to see Violet again though tbh.

Agree. 

 

58 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

And Willow looks like an idiot because of course, poor Drew would never lie.

*sips*

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Yes!  Lois is in the age range of slightly older than Brenda but younger than Sonny.  Apparently she's decided to live like a nun for the last 25 years outside the Alcazar romance-which we won't discuss.  

Rena is hot and should be considered viable.  I was thinking today she projects years younger than her own daughter and not because of Setton's wardrobe.  Just because Lois seems fun and men should be knocking down her door.

Rena does project as younger than Setton, even when she isn't trying to be young. She also dresses younger. 

If they did pair Lois with anyone it would just be filler, but if Rena is willing to stay around, I wish they'd try. 

Maybe they could bring Justus back from the dead and pair them up.

8 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I thought it was somewhere after her relationship with Jax. I may be thinking of some later moment with them. 

She was with Jax at the time. She and Sonny still slept together after leaving Michael at the clinic, grieving and so forth.

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I guess it's just not a part of GH anymore. Or any soap, frankly, not only in the US, but internationally. As we're in an era where gen Z is asking to bring back the Hays Code, I don't see that improving.

From what I've seen DAYS seems still pretty horny, but that's Ron being oversexed and it's not necessarily done very well. BTG has come out of the gate pretty hot and heavy, which is good. The pendulum has begun to swing back in some media and not others - we'll see how long that lasts. GH is behind.

6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Maybe they could bring Justus back from the dead and pair them up.

I would absolutely bring Justus back from the dead (for Portia), but I would give Lois an entirely new man. On contract: The dreaded word for FV with anyone over 40 and not from OLTL or another soap.

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I'm not at all concerned about Violet or Finn, or any other iteration of a Michael Easton character. I simply do not believe it is anything but what I'm going to call fan hysteria. No doubt that if he'd been able to, Frank would have kept him. I do not see him getting him back though. And, fortunately, Violet is off canvas because Finn is. Praise to Soap Jesus!

11 minutes ago, Vee said:

They'll just put her with another random recurring guy Frank likes with no real story and call that 'writing for Lois'. It's the same reason we're expected to clap away for Tracy being shackled to the newly non-Southern Martin instead of having a major story. (And tbh Kevin and Laura are a version of the same.)

Yup.  It 100% would have been Sidwell if not for Frank's desire to make Eva relevant.  Rena should never be just scraping by with the worst material.  This has been a horrible return.  Not even Brenda horrible because at least the show used Brenda.  Lois is practically a background character at this point.

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Thanks. I thought it was somewhere after her relationship with Jax. I may be thinking of some later moment with them. 

Ugh they had sex multiple times post-that limo sex.  They got remarried and had a whole ass useless child post-Jax.

6 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

Rena does project as younger than Setton, even when she isn't trying to be young. She also dresses younger. 

If they did pair Lois with anyone it would just be filler, but if Rena is willing to stay around, I wish they'd try. 

Maybe they could bring Justus back from the dead and pair them up.

Rena just has a better presence than Setton even though Setton's early work was promising in other roles.  She lost some spark along the way or something.

17 minutes ago, Vee said:

She was with Jax at the time. She and Sonny still slept together after leaving Michael at the clinic, grieving and so forth.

From what I've seen DAYS seems still pretty horny, but that's Ron being oversexed and it's not necessarily done very well. BTG has come out of the gate pretty hot and heavy, which is good. The pendulum has begun to swing back in some media and not others - we'll see how long that lasts. GH is behind.

I would absolutely bring Justus back from the dead (for Portia), but I would give Lois an entirely new man. On contract: The dreaded word for FV with anyone over 40 and not from OLTL or another soap.

Any time I see those moments on DAYS it comes across as dolls being thrown together (not helped by his obsession with men I find about as sexually appealing as Snuffy Smith [and I am not talking about Greg Rikaart]), but you're right, it is still more than GH. I haven't seen BtG yet - I've heard they have nothing for the gay characters but I am not judging them on that, considering where this country is headed. 

Lois does deserve a new man. I just find most of the new male characters in that age range to be such dullards.

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Yup.  It 100% would have been Sidwell if not for Frank's desire to make Eva relevant.  Rena should never be just scraping by with the worst material.  This has been a horrible return.  Not even Brenda horrible because at least the show used Brenda.  Lois is practically a background character at this point.

Ugh they had sex multiple times post-that limo sex.  They got remarried and had a whole ass useless child post-Jax.

Rena just has a better presence than Setton even though Setton's early work was promising in other roles.  She lost some spark along the way or something.

It seemed like whatever she tried doing in primetime dimmed her spark. I guess that's why Frank brought her on, from friendship, as it doesn't seem to be down to writing her based on who Brook Lyn used to be.

I'm half-surprised they didn't have them actually have sex around the time of Carly lying that they were hooking up in Tracy's room or wherever the alibi was.

9 minutes ago, DRW50 said:

I'm half-surprised they didn't have them actually have sex around the time of Carly lying that they were hooking up in Tracy's room or wherever the alibi was.

Actually, me too.  I think the show was just entirely a mess and Jason/Carly, Sonny/Ava, Carly/Jagger, Ava/Jagger were all being played with and nothing really ended up happening. 

I still can't believe everyone was just 🤷‍♀️ about Jagger's death.  I don't have a lot of love for Wagger, but c'mon.  

5 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Actually, me too.  I think the show was just entirely a mess and Jason/Carly, Sonny/Ava, Carly/Jagger, Ava/Jagger were all being played with and nothing really ended up happening. 

I still can't believe everyone was just 🤷‍♀️ about Jagger's death.  I don't have a lot of love for Wagger, but c'mon.  

I’m still gobsmacked about the handing of Jagger’s death but I shouldn’t really be surprised. Why would Sonny ever face consequences for shooting someone point blank. 

15 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I’m still gobsmacked about the handing of Jagger’s death but I shouldn’t really be surprised. Why would Sonny ever face consequences for shooting someone point blank. 

WHO?  

31 minutes ago, Antoyne said:

I’m still gobsmacked about the handing of Jagger’s death but I shouldn’t really be surprised. Why would Sonny ever face consequences for shooting someone point blank. 

I mean, no.  But we could at least pretend there was a chance.

14 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I mean, no.  But we could at least pretend there was a chance.

They investigated one lead and when that didn’t pan out, no one cared. Even the government just said oh well. Laziest writing ever.

1 hour ago, DRW50 said:

I haven't seen BtG yet - I've heard they have nothing for the gay characters but I am not judging them on that, considering where this country is headed. 

No, the gay characters have a major storyline and in fact the secret about one of them (which doesn't appear to be sex-related) is already a source of blackmail for the core family. The issue for me atm is that the lead character from the core family (a gay Congressman) is so far quite wooden. I am not going to judge them on not making out yet since it's only Day 3, they've only both been on two days and the marriage is very clearly troubled from the first moment we see them together. I expect an interloper or two will appear.

1 hour ago, carolineg said:

Rena should never be just scraping by with the worst material.  This has been a horrible return.  Not even Brenda horrible because at least the show used Brenda.  Lois is practically a background character at this point.

I actually think Rena's return has been a success in many ways - she fits right in again, livens up the show everyday she's on and has not missed a beat as Lois after decades. The problem is more that they've give her no real story or man of her own, because Frank does not want to invest in veteran story unless it's one of his chosen few. And she should be frontburner in her own right, not just supporting possibly the most boring couple on the show (and Kai and Trina are a close second).

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