59 minutes ago, asafi said:

I think sheila Carter was great in the 90's, in both y&r and b&b.. however outstayed her welcome.. no point to bring her back again and again. her rivalry with Lauren and Stephanie was great at the time.

Sheila would be fine if you had a competent writer handling her. And Brad is stupid for not assimilating Diana, Mary, and Ryder (as much as we want to ignore him and Daisy, we can't due to Lucy being on Y&R) to the B&B canvas. Why hasn't Finn ventured over to Y&R and met his niece? Why hasn't Sheila, who is obsessed with her scions ventured over to Y&R to meet her granddaughter? Diana being related to Steffy and Finn could catalyze tons of drama. The stories are there. Brad is just too lazy to execute. 

I am still shocked that a bitter Jack or Little Eric hasn't popped up shaking the canvas up. Those are two other characters that could provide tons of story. But I digress. 

41 minutes ago, Faulkner said:

I wonder about the costs of having EB, MTS, et al., on the canvas. I thought maybe MTS was becoming expendable for a while. The Jordan story is the first time Nikki has been center stage in years. Was it worth it having Nikki flounce around Genoa City as the new “grande dame,” making idle threats against various characters on behalf of Newman? I don’t think so. The balance is way off on this show. It’s either feast or famine.

Y&R has a real problem with managing its budget (clear to anyone who’s watched in recent years—it looks cheap), and having such a top-heavy cast of worn-out characters doesn’t help. But Eric Braeden and even MTS bring such cultural heft from their 45 years on the show. (When EB talks [!@#$%^&*] on Twitter, it often trends. We know how hard it is to cut through the noise.) They were soap stars when that meant something. But they’re also albatrosses around the show’s neck from a creative standpoint.

Agreed. Again, I love EB down but sometimes, I feel like what does Victor have left to tell? Same with Nikki? Same with Jack? And that's just scratching the surface. I'd send Victoria back to Paris with Nick, Phyllis, Michael, and a few others in tow. 

48 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Sheila would be fine if you had a competent writer handling her. And Brad is stupid for not assimilating Diana, Mary, and Ryder (as much as we want to ignore him and Daisy, we can't due to Lucy being on Y&R) to the B&B canvas. Why hasn't Finn ventured over to Y&R and met his niece? Why hasn't Sheila, who is obsessed with her scions ventured over to Y&R to meet her granddaughter? Diana being related to Steffy and Finn could catalyze tons of drama. The stories are there. Brad is just too lazy to execute. 

I am still shocked that a bitter Jack or Little Eric hasn't popped up shaking the canvas up. Those are two other characters that could provide tons of story. But I digress. 

Agreed. Again, I love EB down but sometimes, I feel like what does Victor have left to tell? Same with Nikki? Same with Jack? And that's just scratching the surface. I'd send Victoria back to Paris with Nick, Phyllis, Michael, and a few others in tow. 

These shows feel like they don’t have aaaany money. I wonder how low the license fees got. B&B has never felt so insular as it has in recent years. How much are they really making from overseas markets? It feels like they don’t have the funds to expand the canvas much.

Brad’s storytelling is so chaotic—there’s both this episodic feel, where stories are told with definite “beginnings” and “ends,” and leave very little impact on the characters; then there’s the Groundhog Day-level repetition, in which I swear old scripts are dusted off and reused, and other “stories” feeling interminable (whatever they’re doing with Sheila).

While B&B is sorely lacking diversity, and Asian Americans have been woefully underrepresented in daytime, the “investment” Brad is making with Poppy and Luna feels typically one-dimensional and certainly could have been used to shore up other parts of the canvas.

Especially if Brad intends to keep Sheila around. She’s long overstayed her welcome indeed. Having more of her family would humanize her and ground Finn in the canvas more. If they’re gonna keep Sheila, just bite the bullet and go all in, instead of this very unsatisfying, scattershot approach.

Re: Victor—that character has been rode hard and put away wet. He’s been a cartoon for years. Yet, some very vocal people love the cartoon, and EB has demurred when they’ve tried to push him out of his rut. Sonny on GH feels the same way. People are already bitching about Sonny being a town pariah and feuding with Jason, which is the first time he’s been that interesting as “Sonny” in a very long time.

No one wants to push them into new dynamics, and, for viewers who desire more than ambient TV, that’s deadly. Just spin them off into their own superhero series if that’s what you want. Some of us want to watch a soap opera.

8 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Sheila would be fine if you had a competent writer handling her. And Brad is stupid for not assimilating Diana, Mary, and Ryder (as much as we want to ignore him and Daisy, we can't due to Lucy being on Y&R) to the B&B canvas. Why hasn't Finn ventured over to Y&R and met his niece? Why hasn't Sheila, who is obsessed with her scions ventured over to Y&R to meet her granddaughter? Diana being related to Steffy and Finn could catalyze tons of drama. The stories are there. Brad is just too lazy to execute. 

I am still shocked that a bitter Jack or Little Eric hasn't popped up shaking the canvas up. Those are two other characters that could provide tons of story. But I digress. 

Agreed. Again, I love EB down but sometimes, I feel like what does Victor have left to tell? Same with Nikki? Same with Jack? And that's just scratching the surface. I'd send Victoria back to Paris with Nick, Phyllis, Michael, and a few others in tow. 

Nikki would have so much story potential if Victor wasn't on the show... she's just held back because of the character of Victor.

 

1 hour ago, Soaplovers said:

Nikki would have so much story potential if Victor wasn't on the show... she's just held back because of the character of Victor.

We will have to agree to disagree. Nikki is one of the main characters left that offers the least. The last time I felt Nikki had anything to offer was around 2005. All her stories post then have been flops. Her stories consist of her drinking, killing someone, or begging for Victor. I am over it. I am over her. I like MTS but Nikki could croak tomorrow and I'd be OK. 

8 hours ago, Faulkner said:

These shows feel like they don’t have aaaany money. I wonder how low the license fees got. B&B has never felt so insular as it has in recent years. How much are they really making from overseas markets? It feels like they don’t have the funds to expand the canvas much.

Brad’s storytelling is so chaotic—there’s both this episodic feel, where stories are told with definite “beginnings” and “ends,” and leave very little impact on the characters; then there’s the Groundhog Day-level repetition, in which I swear old scripts are dusted off and reused, and other “stories” feeling interminable (whatever they’re doing with Sheila).

While B&B is sorely lacking diversity, and Asian Americans have been woefully underrepresented in daytime, the “investment” Brad is making with Poppy and Luna feels typically one-dimensional and certainly could have been used to shore up other parts of the canvas.

Especially if Brad intends to keep Sheila around. She’s long overstayed her welcome indeed. Having more of her family would humanize her and ground Finn in the canvas more. If they’re gonna keep Sheila, just bite the bullet and go all in, instead of this very unsatisfying, scattershot approach.

Re: Victor—that character has been rode hard and put away wet. He’s been a cartoon for years. Yet, some very vocal people love the cartoon, and EB has demurred when they’ve tried to push him out of his rut. Sonny on GH feels the same way. People are already bitching about Sonny being a town pariah and feuding with Jason, which is the first time he’s been that interesting as “Sonny” in a very long time.

No one wants to push them into new dynamics, and, for viewers who desire more than ambient TV, that’s deadly. Just spin them off into their own superhero series if that’s what you want. Some of us want to watch a soap opera.

I think B&B makes a pretty penny abroad hence why CBS lets them stay on air. Out of the remaining 4, I imagine that B&B will be the last one standing. 

(re: Luna/Poppy) Not shocked at all by how Brad is writing them. He handled the Avants horribly and they were well-received by the audience. I feel like all of them will be written off 2-3 years max and that's me being generous. 

5 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Nikki would have so much story potential if Victor wasn't on the show... she's just held back because of the character of Victor.

TBH, I think Victor's the only reason why Nikki/MTS has lasted this long.  Otherwise, I'm pretty sure she would've been history by 1982 or so.

3 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I like MTS but Nikki could croak tomorrow and I'd be OK. 

Another potential victim for the Genoa City Slasher, lol.

9 minutes ago, Khan said:

Another potential victim for the Genoa City Slasher, lol.

You know it. If I were writing the show, Jack, Victor, Nikki, Michael, Daniel, Fraternity Bro, Redzilla, Snoreboria, and Chelsea would be the victims. Jordan, my killer of choice, would be knocking people off left and right. 🤣

18 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

You know it. If I were writing the show, Jack, Victor, Nikki, Michael, Daniel, Fraternity Bro, Redzilla, Snoreboria, and Chelsea would be the victims. Jordan, my killer of choice, would be knocking people off left and right. 🤣

You'd kill off The Great Victor Newman?  Oh, Lawd.  The hip-hop community would never forgive you.  Nor would their mamas and big mamas and aunties, all of whom would be running to the altars and rebuking you in the name of Jesus so fast, lol!

Jordan seems almost too obvious of a choice at this point, but I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone else who could fit the bill of being Y&R's inaugural serial killer.

Edited June 25, 20241 yr by Khan

36 minutes ago, Khan said:

You'd kill off The Great Victor Newman?  Oh, Lawd.  The hip-hop community would never forgive you.  Nor would their mamas and big mamas and aunties, all of whom would be running to the altars and rebuking you in the name of Jesus so fast, lol!

Jordan seems almost too obvious of a choice at this point, but I'm hard-pressed to think of anyone else who could fit the bill of being Y&R's inaugural serial killer.

Oh well. They'll just have to be mad b/c it is time to cut the fat. I gotta trim the fat to be able to woo Jess Walton back as Jill and Victoria Rowell back as Dru along with bringing the newer generation of the Foster/Prentiss clan on. 

I might keep Victor. MIGHT. But Nikki and Jack can go. 

7 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I might keep Victor. MIGHT. But Nikki and Jack can go. 

Nah, I'd keep all three.  They don't need to drive story the way they have been for too long, but they still need to be there in some capacity, I think.

15 minutes ago, NothinButAttitude said:

I gotta trim the fat to be able to woo Jess Walton back as Jill and Victoria Rowell back as Dru along with bringing the newer generation of the Foster/Prentiss clan on. 

I could go along with bringing back Jess Walton and reviving the Brooks, Foster and Prentiss families in some fashion, but aside from being Lily's mom, I'm not sure whether VR would have a real place on Y&R again, especially now with KSJ/Neil gone.

7 hours ago, Soaplovers said:

Nikki would have so much story potential if Victor wasn't on the show... she's just held back because of the character of Victor.

 

true, I agree. 

5 hours ago, Khan said:

I could go along with bringing back Jess Walton and reviving the Brooks, Foster and Prentiss families in some fashion, but aside from being Lily's mom, I'm not sure whether VR would have a real place on Y&R again, especially now with KSJ/Neil gone.

Friend, that is blasphemy! Dru always has a spot on Y&R (and in my heart). She'll have a nice amnesia arc where she's been living with a widower and his grown children, which'll spark some jealousy in Lily and Devon. We'll have Sharon find her and help her assimilate back in Genoa City. Eventually, she'll get her spunk back and merge her new family with her old family much to the chagrin of some. That'll give me the chance to bring Davetta back as the spunky daughter that Dru deserved which would unnerve Lily as Dru sees more of a connection with Davetta's character than Lily.  

5 hours ago, Khan said:

Nah, I'd keep all three.  They don't need to drive story the way they have been for too long, but they still need to be there in some capacity, I think.

Do we have to? 

3 hours ago, NothinButAttitude said:

Friend, that is blasphemy! Dru always has a spot on Y&R (and in my heart). She'll have a nice amnesia arc where she's been living with a widower and his grown children, which'll spark some jealousy in Lily and Devon. We'll have Sharon find her and help her assimilate back in Genoa City. Eventually, she'll get her spunk back and merge her new family with her old family much to the chagrin of some. That'll give me the chance to bring Davetta back as the spunky daughter that Dru deserved which would unnerve Lily as Dru sees more of a connection with Davetta's character than Lily.  

Do we have to? 

I am so here for this! Davetta giving it to Christel's Lily is everything I need! Then, don't let Davettas character fall for Daniel!

On 6/24/2024 at 9:39 AM, NothinButAttitude said:

 

I am still shocked that a bitter Jack or Little Eric hasn't popped up shaking the canvas up. Those are two other characters that could provide tons of story. But I digress. 

 

Bringing Jack on as RJ's rival is a no brainer IMO. I can't believe they haven't done it. Can you imagine the drama...Brooke's son that she didn't give birth to??? He could be all about revenge, drama, and messing up people's lives...think Jonathan back on GL.

1 hour ago, 1974mdp said:

Bringing Jack on as RJ's rival is a no brainer IMO. I can't believe they haven't done it. Can you imagine the drama...Brooke's son that she didn't give birth to??? He could be all about revenge, drama, and messing up people's lives...think Jonathan back on GL.

Where the hell is Jack?! I keep asking this! He's missing along with my damn earthquake! That being said, we might be subject another decade of Hope/Steffy bs and quite frankly, I can't. where is Little Eric though?

Edited June 25, 20241 yr by SteelCity

59 minutes ago, SteelCity said:

Where the hell is Jack?! I keep asking this! He's missing along with my damn earthquake! That being said, we might be subject another decade of Hope/Steffy bs and quite frankly, I can't. where is Little Eric though?

The former Little Eric would be a great character, too. He could upend Hope's life or become involved with Steffy without her knowing who he is. So many possibilities, but we just get wash and repeat.