2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I agree. I’m sad things didn’t work out because the characters finally had personality in their scripts. 

I see so many similarities to Sally Sussman returning to Y&R. All of a sudden it felt more like Y&R. She just didn’t have anything for them to do except be more in character. No story engine.

If someone was paired with them who was a great driver of story, I think this would have ended differently.

 

Well Sally was getting it in the end (or as fans during that time called it everything after the L.A. episodes) it was just sad that it was as she was on the way out the door. 

 

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I agree more and more. Look at the stalled Jason story. The story that was so great it lead to Korte getting the HW slot and the old ones fired. Where is that story? It’s hardly been played.

Yep. Actively stalling at play it would seem per today's news.

 

 

1 minute ago, titan1978 said:

There is so much character and connection going on, it’s easy to enjoy. The community and heart on display is something I have missed on a soap for a long time.

Enjoy it while it lasts.  It'll be gone again soon enough.

Just now, Taoboi said:

Yep. Actively stalling at play it would seem per today's news.

Yeah, it seems Frank actually preferred the whole "Jason is brainwashed/the password is 'Susan Moore'" crap that's been rumored, lol.

1 minute ago, Khan said:

Enjoy it while it lasts.  It'll be gone again soon enough.

Exactly. 

 

Stalling aside, we were getting community again. 

2 hours ago, titan1978 said:

I said in the GH thread earlier what I was hoping to be true- that they would try to make this work for the good of the show. And if it was power plays I assumed PM would quit.

Quit or fired, here we are. If FV wanted to play those games, then he is a fool. Because more of the same from before is not going to lure in lost Nielsen viewers. They have risked the show on letting him have control he doesn’t use appropriately. If he did, Liz would be onscreen more, same with Dante and even Sam. His instincts were killing the show slowly, and now it has taken an actual hit and he more than likely played a part.

I’m so upset with how this has shaken out.

Yep...FV has shown his slip.

 

And now that I've seen the Emperor is indeed without any clothes on, I cannot unsee. 

 

And all this because he wants to keep his friend Val employed rather then given him an excellent exit story?

 

Definitely shaken.

 

2 hours ago, carolineg said:

I just think it's upsetting and a letdown all around.  I don't feel like I got to see anything great from PM, we didn't get any cast purge, barely any stories moved and now we are basically at square one.  Oh well.  If anyone thought SBu would be GH's savior in 2024 they were sorely mistaken especially considering his most consistent screen partner was a bag of coffee beans.

And sadly the truth partly revealed. A shame. PM won't get the chance to show something great. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yeah, it seems Frank actually preferred the whole "Jason is brainwashed/the password is 'Susan Moore'" crap that's been rumored, lol.

Which would have gone on for two years before there was anything resembling a climax.

 

God, I am loathing him something fierce today. 

So about today, on the show, ... again I liked the extravaganza of this wedding. I particularly liked the picture taking. In one fell swoop they made the character Gio older than the actor. He has completed 2 years of college. So he can hang with Joss & Trina. 

LOTD goes to Maxie, to Natalia, "You don't get invited to a lot of parties, do you?"

Second runner-up is Pure Schmaltz Spinelli: "Was there a bride at the wedding? Because all I could see was you." 

Sam enlisted Spinelli to investigate the FBI! 

Carly was in the opening but not in the show. 

Poignant: Gregory to Tracy: I sometimes wonder what life would have been like if I had met you when I was 25. 

23 minutes ago, Khan said:

Yep.  Like you said, we're basically at square one.  Except now, going forward, everything will be more in keeping with Frank's vision, which makes you question why they bothered firing O'Connor and Van Etten in the first place.

Yeah.  I basically lost any hope I had.  I wasn't enjoying PM's work, but I had optimism it would get better.  And now I don't.

I wish PM got to see one story through or get rid of 5 or 10 characters lol.  

PM was obviously not a Frank choice and it seems PM was stymied at every turn on purpose to force him out so FV could get his vision back.  It's very frustrating.  I am at the point where I actually miss Guza lol.

*gasps* Not Guza!

3 minutes ago, carolineg said:

it seems PM was stymied at every turn on purpose to force him out so FV could get his vision back

Yep.  I'm sure TPTB will spin it another way, but...c'mon...we know what went down, lol.

4 minutes ago, carolineg said:

I am at the point where I actually miss Guza lol.

I'm sorry to say that I'm at that point as well.  Love him or hate him, but he wouldn't have put up with Frank's crap.  He would've pushed through with his vision and dared Frank to say boo about it.

Oh, I would love to see Frank and Guza battle it out. Guza's cachet with GH is a lot more recent than Mulcahey's, though PM is no wallflower.

34 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

Which would have gone on for two years before there was anything resembling a climax.

With scenes running an average of 45 seconds.

The thing is, if you're gonna tell a story that spans that amount of time, then you have to keep up the momentum and the suspense - ESPECIALLY when you have scenes so freaking short! - something that FV's GH just can't do, regardless of who is nominally the HW.

Just now, Khan said:

I'm sorry to say that I'm at that point as well.  Love him or hate him, but he wouldn't have put up with Frank's crap.  He would've pushed through with his vision and dared Frank to say boo about it.

Yep.  And at least I know there would have been a car bomb or shoot out at this wedding and possible casualties if Guza was around.  I am not advocating violence, but I think we all can agree the purge is needed.  And, hey, I know Guza likes VM and Brenda and would give me a little hope on that front.  Now, I am just depressed waiting for the Roger Howarth re-hiring.

1 minute ago, Vee said:

Oh, I would love to see Frank and Guza battle it out. 

Trust me, it'd end with Guza being handcuffed and taken downtown by police (sitting right next to LW, who just couldn't anymore with Trevor St. John).

6 minutes ago, Taoboi said:

*gasps* Not Guza!

Why not?  At least things actually happened right or wrong.  

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Now, I am just depressed waiting for the Roger Howarth re-hiring.

Someone: "Bite your tongue!"

Me: "No, bite YOUR tongue, 'cuz you know it's happening!"

1 minute ago, carolineg said:

Why not?  At least things actually happened right or wrong.  

ICAM!  I despised the hero worshipping of Sonny and Jason, but at least GH wasn't so bland!

12 minutes ago, Khan said:

I'm sorry to say that I'm at that point as well.  Love him or hate him, but he wouldn't have put up with Frank's crap.  He would've pushed through with his vision and dared Frank to say boo about it.

Them facts.

 

6 minutes ago, carolineg said:

Why not?  At least things actually happened right or wrong.  

I kid, I kid!!! At this point he is looking better...AND BRENDA would be back so I would be fine with it. 

 

5 minutes ago, Khan said:

Someone: "Bite your tongue!"

I am someone and someone is me.   Cuz I was just about to say that and saw your post.

 

Edited May 17, 20241 yr by Taoboi

What GH desperately needs is a producing team like Wendy Riche and Shelley Curtis to come in and reshape the show from the ground up like they had to do in 1992-1993. There would be some dark days and growing pains - but with enough care, you could get a respectable core and focus again. 

Unfortunately, execs and audiences don’t have that type of time or patience anymore, and no one with any power cares.